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jschubart t1_iwlbz1k wrote

Their methodology is whoever pays them more gets higher ranked.

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LoungingLlama312 t1_iwlfx4f wrote

Replying to jschubart (#544,839)

Yea everything is becoming pay for play now. Forbes does their "council" where they pump it as emergent leaders in a field. Really it's whomever wants to pay the 1k+ yearly fee to be able to put it on their work bio.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iwll0ed wrote

Is Yale going to abandon pumping out Federalist society judges as well?

Because the Fed Soc does far more harm than to these low-income students who want public-interest careers than the US News ranking ever did.

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Alwayssunnyinarizona t1_iwlmlbc wrote

Replying to jschubart (#544,839)

In my field, rankings are based on a survey sent out to graduates: which university do you think is the best for your degree?

Lost the feeling of prestige I had graduating from a top 5 when I learned that.

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d36williams t1_iwlni6z wrote

US News Rankings... seems pointless

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Chippopotanuse t1_iwlns4v wrote

Replying to paperclip_nazi (#545,496)

They can’t.

But they could stop hiring professors who don’t want to teach the law. Yale is where the Fed Soc started in 1982…and now Fed Soc members are destroying the judiciary.

And they are also shitty people. For instance, look at Amy Chua (tiger mom) and her husband Jed Rubenfeld.

They were grooming female clerks on how to dress and how to get clerkship jobs for Kavanaugh. (Including Chua’s own daughter). Rubenfeld was sexually harassing folks to the point he was suspended for two years.

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mbmba t1_iwlxspw wrote

Yale can truly say it’s progressive when it eliminates legacy admissions and pay-to-play admissions for kids of rich donors.

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11fingerfreak t1_iwm1h1z wrote

Not sure if I care what Yale thinks about anything. They’ll always be third rate compared to Stanford and Harvard. Haven’t met a Yale grad yet that was more impressive in person than they are on paper.

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thatoneguy889 t1_iwm2o8l wrote

Replying to mbmba (#546,157)

There's a friend of a family friend of mine that's one of those disgustingly wealthy people you've never heard of. His son applied to a very prominent and prestigious university, but didn't get in because he fucked around in high school and his grades sucked. The guy basically donated a new wing to the university's library or something like that and a few weeks later the son got a letter in the mail saying his admission was reconsidered and he got in.

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JimiSlew3 t1_iwm2pqq wrote

Oh, this criticism goes way way back:

At a press conference of law school deans in 1998 decrying the annual US News Law School Rankings, then New York University School of Law Dean John Sexton quipped, "If they were asked about Princeton Law School, it would appear on the top 20 -- but it doesn't exist" [1] (Sexton was denouncing the US News usage of reputation survey results from judges, lawyers and law school deans in its ranking formula, expressing doubt over the expertise of some surveyed). -wiki.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iwmadjs wrote

Replying to paperclip_nazi (#545,589)

Not Yale’s fault? Hmmm….let’s walk down memory lane with the Fed Soc to 1982.

  • the Fed Soc was founded in 1982 by students at Yale Law School, Harvard Law School, and the University of Chicago Law School.

But these weren’t regular students. They were wholesale propped up by the soon-to-be Yale Dean who was the uncle of one of them.

  • The group's first activity was a three-day symposium titled "A Symposium on Federalism: Legal and Political Ramifications" held at Yale in April 1982.

  • The symposium, which was attended by 200 people, was organized by Steven G. Calabresi, Lee Liberman Otis, and David M. McIntosh. (Speakers included Antonin Scalia, Robert Bork, and Theodore Olson.)

How does a random law student like Calabresi organize all that and get such prominent folks on campus??

Well, for the uninitiated, he wasn’t some random student. He is the nephew of Guido Calabresi, (who would become Dean of the Yale Law School shortly thereafter…those family connections help).

And Steven Calebresi would go on to clerk for Judge Bork and Justice Scalia on SCOTUS. (Isn’t it weird how he kinda waltzes in to such competitive clerkships…clerking for the same folks who he somehow convinced to come to Yale for the Fed Sox’s first event…)

From where I sit, the Fed Soc never gets off the ground if prominent folks at Yale and (Yale itself) didn’t wholesale embrace the bullshit theories that it stands for.

I’m sure you are of the mind that it was an innocent student group that just coincidentally had its genesis at Yale.

To each his own I suppose.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iwmaxc6 wrote

Replying to Ozark--Howler (#546,851)

From watching the Kavanaugh, or Thomas SCOTUS hearings…I’d beg to differ with you on that. I prefer judges who don’t sexually assault women, who don’t leave pubic hairs on soda cans, and who don’t brag how big their cock and balls are to female subordinates. But that seems to follow one party around.

And the reason why is that a huge part of conservatism is basically saying “fuck you” to women’s rights. As well as showing little to no respecting regarding the boundaries of consent. (Grab em by the pussy!).

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KingfisherDays t1_iwmdynd wrote

Replying to thatoneguy889 (#546,467)

Ever heard of the z list? That's what happens when you're the kid of a rich donor who can't get into Harvard normally. They admit you and make you defer a year in between. So if you seen the child of a rich or influential person going to Harvard after a gap year, it's possibly because of that cough Malia Obama cough

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napalmthechild t1_iwmg5l4 wrote

They didn’t want to share 1st Place with 4 other schools lmao 😂

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MrJenzie t1_iwmnukb wrote

WAAH WAAH we're not high enough on their stupid list WAAH WAAH

etc

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All_the_dinohorses t1_iwmo8z7 wrote

Replying to jschubart (#544,839)

This is how Military Friendly schools are determined. About a decade ago schools paid to get included on a list to attract veterans with GI Bill. So they created tiers of how friendly you are (at opening your check book)

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Redpandaling t1_iwmrkpd wrote

Replying to KingfisherDays (#547,097)

Eh, rich people are also better situated to take a gap year in general. Gap years are like entrepreneurship - a thing you can do when you're rich because you're not worried about having enough money for your basic living needs.

For your specific example, I'm not aware of any evidence suggesting Malia wasn't a good student / made bad decisions. Obviously giant leg up from being a first daughter. Given that she would have been going to college in 2016, taking a gap year seems like a smart idea for her just to let the furor die down a bit.

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A_Gent_4Tseven t1_iwmrvrv wrote

Replying to jschubart (#544,839)

It’s the same with Yale though technically… I still think regardless of people caught(and in some cases never really punished) paying or accepting payments and yet still… even some of their purchased degrees still stand. But Ivy League schools all around did that shit, and I doubt they’ll ever actually stop. I don’t get it all around. Greedy.

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[deleted] t1_iwmsai5 wrote

Replying to Rancarable (#547,559)

Bro said woosh like we were all suppose to be able to recall the 2006 time magazine cover on the spot at anytime in case anyone made an obscure joke about it on Reddit.

Edit:spelling

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JettisonedJetsam t1_iwmwj5t wrote

Replying to d36williams (#545,576)

I don’t really understand why you think the Federalist society is some secret society cabal. I signed up in law school. It cost 5 bucks and they gave us pizza and brought in professors to have debates. Maybe my experience is different than others, but it’s literally just a law school club.

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Vista36 t1_iwn2qbg wrote

They didn’t say anything in the decades when they were ranked No 1?

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mrfoof82 t1_iwn3otw wrote

Harvard University too, at least for their law school.

(“The Harvard Crimson” is Harvard University’s largest student newspaper).

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Throwawayhelp111521 t1_iwn53dj wrote

Replying to MrJenzie (#547,760)

Yale Law School has been number one on the list since 1990. That's why it's significant that it and Harvard are leaving the ranking process. They don't think it's fair to schools that promote public interest or provide significant scholarship aid and they have never needed U.S. News & World Report and never will.

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Throwawayhelp111521 t1_iwn5syi wrote

Replying to CloggedBathtub (#547,136)

Yale College and Yale University are excellent. Yale Law School is extremely prestigious among law schools because it is the most difficult law school to get into in the United States and has many successful graduates despite its size. Harvard Law School is also excellent, but it is much larger than Yale. HLS has 1,900 students (law students and advanced degree students). YLS has a little over 600.

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fragbot2 t1_iwn6m84 wrote

What people still want to go to law school? For anyone not attending a T14 school, it's generally money poorly spent as law school graduate salaries are bi-modal (https://www.nalp.org/salarydistrib) with the "big law" firms hiring mostly from the same 14 schools. For people outside that rarefied air, it's a financial loser.

Yale's argument about public interest law is goofy anyway. If you want to do non-profit shit, you might as well spend less at Temple or Rutgers and reserve the T14 spots for people who need the pedigree to justify their hire at a white shoe firm.

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Throwawayhelp111521 t1_iwn6upy wrote

Replying to Chippopotanuse (#546,882)

Steven Calabresi is very well-connected, but his uncle, Guido, the former dean of Yale Law School and current federal appellate judge, is not a Federalist Society type.

When Robert Bork was nominated for SCOTUS in 1987, virtually everyone at YLS was against it. There was a very well-attended panel discussion at which his former colleagues spoke. Even the professors who had a friendly relationship with Bork criticized his legal philosophy.

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Throwawayhelp111521 t1_iwn75y1 wrote

Replying to JettisonedJetsam (#548,300)

> Maybe my experience is different than others, but it’s literally just a law school club.

It's a law school organization with an agenda, especially at prestigious schools like Yale Law School and Harvard Law School, but there's nothing illegal or improper about its objectives.

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Microwavegerbil t1_iwn8pec wrote

Replying to fragbot2 (#548,871)

Even a modest scholarship makes it worthwhile faster, and those statistics even identify that their small firms numbers are unreliable and they're getting less than half and they even admit it's understated in the graph.

If you're capable and motivated, law school is incredibly profitable, even outside the "big law" arena.

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Marthaver1 t1_iwn90aq wrote

The majority of college rankings are a big scam and I’m surprise other more prominent schools haven’t excluded themselves from this corrupt scheme. If anyone has the time, I strongly recommend watching a video by PolyMatter briefly exposing the flaws of school rankings. I linked it below if anyone is interested:

https://youtu.be/cQWlnTyOSig

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abattleofone t1_iwna1g8 wrote

Replying to Alwayssunnyinarizona (#545,505)

I’ve worked in higher ed in a department that controlled application, admission, and enrollment data. It’s a lot more than just surveys; a lot of it is also based on enrollment numbers, admission rates, acceptance rates, average GRE/GMAT/etc.

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Marthaver1 t1_iwnaine wrote

Replying to mbmba (#546,157)

Legacy admission and pay to play admissions is broad day life corruption, plain and simple.

Imagine being a poor student, working your ass off to get excellent grades, entrance exams scores (another corrupt shit btw), active in 5+ extracurricular activities per semester, and just to be rejected over little Baron with mediocre grades because daddy is an alumni and or is a generous donor of that school. These schools have no shame. Ethics my ass. With what moral grounds can they even enforce plagiarism when they are doing shit this?

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wheniswhy t1_iwngx08 wrote

Replying to thatoneguy889 (#546,467)

I went to a prestigious Ivy League university. One summer, I took an internship working with a bunch of Harvard kids in NYC. I remember thinking it was kind of odd that they were all Harvard kids except for me, but it was a good opportunity with a good company and great potential networking, so didn’t think too much of it.

About a week in, I found out that the kid who was really running the operation was the son of the guy who owned the company. Who owned the floor. Who owned the building. And he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

We had a saying at my school: “The hardest part about Harvard is getting in.”

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bihari_baller t1_iwnoxtn wrote

Replying to fragbot2 (#548,871)

>What people still want to go to law school? For anyone not attending a T14 school, it's generally money poorly spent as law school graduate salaries are bi-modal (
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>https://www.nalp.org/salarydistrib
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>) with the "big law" firms hiring mostly from the same 14 schools. For people outside that rarefied air, it's a financial loser.

I reckon not everybody wants to work for "big law." There's more to law than corporate law. There's family law, estate law, immigration law, etc.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iwnuvy0 wrote

Replying to paperclip_nazi (#547,612)

Yes…yes you can.

As a private college, Yale can most certainly place a particular set of moral, philosophical, or religious teachings above a commitment to free expression. It has EVERY right to do so.

The freedom to associate voluntarily with others around “common goals or beliefs” is an integral part of a pluralistic and free society.

AND ITS WHAT CONSERVATIVE JUDGES AND THE FED SOC USE TO JUSTIFY EXCLUDING GAYS FROM PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE BOY SCOUTS AND FROM RELIGIOUS COLLEGES.

So, students who want to be a part of the shitty federalist society can fuck right off with their complaints about “free speech” if they get banned from private elite colleges.

Yale ain’t the government. It don’t need to accommodate.

Why is that?

Well…back in 2000, Rehnquist, joined by O'Connor, Scalia, Kennedy, and Thomas, authored a 5-4 decision in Boy Scouts of America et al. v. Dale.

And that case held that the constitutional right to freedom of association allowed the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) to exclude a homosexual person from membership IN SPITE of a state law requiring equal treatment of homosexuals in public accommodations.

More generally, the court ruled that a private organization such as the BSA may exclude a person from membership when "the presence of that person affects in a significant way the group's ability to advocate public or private viewpoints".

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texansfan t1_iwnz7sn wrote

Malcolm Gladwell is dancing somewhere

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Ok-Tap-4824 t1_iwotd8k wrote

Replying to Marthaver1 (#549,067)

>Legacy admission and pay to play admissions is broad day life corruption

Pretty sure you're just describing capitalism.

No one is surprised when the Ferrari dealership doesn't care about your grades. They'll take a check, thanks.

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Ok-Tap-4824 t1_iwoyjv2 wrote

Replying to _Happy_Sisyphus_ (#552,371)

Yeah, and they don't make any profit. They reinvest all that money back into the university.

That doesn't mean they don't care about money.

If you want to test this, here's a nifty experiment -- go swing by a non-profit hospital, whichever is closest to you, and ask them to give you all their money. See what they say.

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Throwawayhelp111521 t1_iwpmeyg wrote

Replying to JettisonedJetsam (#548,932)

No, from what I've read, for years, Federal Society graduates have worked hard to get their members in key positions, much more than the ordinary law school organization. I didn't say it was a secret society, but in terms of exercising influence to help its members, it does remind me of societies like Skull and Bones.

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