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MisterRipster t1_iy8sfye wrote

This judge is to soft. Rehabilitating throat slashers isn’t going to work.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iy8wdju wrote

Replying to MisterRipster (#768,811)

> Snukal said sending Crane to a federal prison would just make him a further danger to society upon his eventual release.

This sounds like a judge who philosophically doesn’t believe in prison time for anyone, simply because it might make people more dangerous.

And yes. There’s some truth to that.

But we are currently at “this guy slashes the throat of strangers in cold blood”.

To me it’s not a question of whether jail will reform him or make him “worse” somehow.

You don’t “accidentally” find yourself slashing a stranger’s throat.

Whats needed here is a big dose of “specific deterrence” (locking up THAT offender so that HE can’t commit another crime in the future).

Shoplifting, petty theft, drug use, sure. Keep those folks out of jail and focus on rehabilitation. Those are often crimes of necessity.

But violent attacks like this are clear signs that someone is already so mentally unfit for society that institutionalizing them (by putting them in jail or a mental hospital for a long term) is the only option IMO.

The blood of the next victim of this career criminal will be on the judge’s hands.

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Jeremycycles t1_iy8wl6d wrote

“The history of colonialism has to be taken into account”

What does that have to do with anything in this case? The judge is mental

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krba201076 t1_iy8xdu1 wrote

Replying to Chippopotanuse (#769,761)

exactly. that logic will work for a check fraud artist or maybe even a petty weed dealer. I personally think prison does more harm than good in a lot of cases. But when you come out of the gate with a violent offense, that's where your ass needs to be!

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edingerc t1_iy8zh55 wrote

So the defendant's lawyer argued that a shorter prison sentence and the possibility of getting in their FASD program would alleviate the danger that this guy is going to impulsively violently attack a random person on the street? And the judge bought it?

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A40 t1_iy8zjo0 wrote

From what I understand 'two, less a day' in provincial is WAY harder time than 'two, plus a day' in a federal medium security prison.

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Ghost273552 t1_iy96my8 wrote

Replying to krba201076 (#770,021)

Sometimes we really do just need to separate certain people from society at large because they are a danger to society. I think that gets lost sometimes in the rehabilitation argument.

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sibtiger t1_iy9cvmz wrote

Replying to A40 (#770,588)

You don't even need to put the "minimum security" qualifier in there. Provincial jails are awful compared to virtually any federal penitentiary.

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dr1968 t1_iy9hxzu wrote

Replying to Chippopotanuse (#769,761)

Did either of you read the article? The perpetrator is nuts from fetal alcohol syndrome and has never received treatment for it. He's already been to prison for 6 years. He at least deserves one fair shot.

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dr1968 t1_iy9i9zn wrote

Replying to edingerc (#770,561)

The perpetrator has already served 6 years previously and not been rehabbed. Her logic is that without treatment, he will just serve time, get out and offend again.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iy9j9as wrote

Replying to dr1968 (#774,859)

I read the article.

And the bullshit of blaming FAS for violent acts against others insults folks who suffer from FAS.

FAS didn’t make this person slit a throat.

Why do I say that?

It is estimated that in Canada, more than 3,000 babies a year are born with FASD, and about 300,000 people are currently living with it.

How many do them slit throats on the subway?

If it’s 150,000 of them…sure, maybe it’s the FAS.

But it’s not.

Don’t be like the judge and blame FAS for this grown-ass man’s decision to attempt to kill someone. That’s on him.

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Zac-Hobson t1_iy9kax8 wrote

Replying to Jeremycycles (#769,818)

In Canada, Aboriginal offenders can request a Gladue Report which talks about how their upbringing was impacted by the legacy of residential schools and colonialism. This is a regular part of Canadian criminal law these days, especially when the court is sentencing offenders for more serious crimes.

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edingerc t1_iy9ljzy wrote

Replying to dr1968 (#774,935)

The primary purpose of prison isn't to rehabilitate. It's a wonderful side effect, if we could accomplish it. Otherwise, they wouldn't imprison sociopaths that are incapable of reform. The primary purpose of prison is to help to keep the public safe. A longer sentence for someone with violent tendencies and impulse control, adds up to safer streets. His victim didn't die because he didn't do a good job cutting his throat; the intention was an impulse murder.

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pacal117 t1_iy9lrj3 wrote

Sometimes I think what I could get away with if we're a white male

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mick_ward t1_iy9pp4k wrote

Two years and three years probation...I don't think so.

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Name5times t1_iy9t7xc wrote

Replying to Chippopotanuse (#775,156)

I hate this argument, it’s used in a lot of mental health issues. Just because people have the same condition doesn’t mean they will present the same especially for conditions affecting the brain.

FAS very much can make someone more violent and aggressive just due to the parts of the brain it affects (pré-frontal cortex).

FÃS didnt make him slit the guys throat but it very much did contribute to it.

Not everyone with schizophrenia is violent (the vast, vast majority are not) but it can make someone who was previously non violent into being violent.

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wobbly-cheese t1_iya11zf wrote

Replying to Ghost273552 (#772,319)

right. the judge should have slapped a dangerous offender tag on this fuckhead but thatd guarantee a cluster of caterwauling protesters and news coverage outside of court. you want out of jail, prove you’re not a danger.

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Shurgosa t1_iya6hel wrote

Replying to 69Jew420 (#779,500)

According to common sense. if people cannot peacefully among other people common sense says you keep them away from the people who can peacefully co-exist. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

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justin_quinnn t1_iyafah5 wrote

Replying to Shurgosa (#780,217)

That doesn't necessarily make it the primary reason, though, and there's been a contested debate on what justice should be focused on for as long as we've had institutions to debate. In the US nowadays, for example, one can make a solid case that the primary purpose of sending people to prison is to make money.

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whitethumbnails t1_iyafoc6 wrote

Replying to dr1968 (#774,935)

That's Canada for ya, some guy murdered my friend in cold blood and got 7 years for it, they are just walking around freely these days. My friend didn't know the guy and was murdered for sitting in front of him randomly.

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Starsky686 t1_iyagpvj wrote

Replying to Zac-Hobson (#775,378)

I’ve been in court where a defense lawyer simultaneously argued for his client as one of a disadvantaged, violent, unstable upbringing and that this family structure would support him in his rehabilitation, so he should, get a lenient sentence.

insert crazy pills meme

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ArenSteele t1_iyakrnd wrote

Replying to mick_ward (#776,548)

Prosecutor was seeking 4 years, judge decided on half that with 2 years, plus access to a facility to deal with his medical diagnosis

The headline is outrageous yes, but the victim survived and the perp is getting a jail sentence.

At the end of it, even you you think he should have got the full 4 years, the reduction to 2 isn’t actually THAT out there

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BoyTitan t1_iyakrnf wrote

Is prison reform intentionally being misinterpreted to get violent people out and terrorize people ?

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staffsargent t1_iyakuph wrote

That's insane. At some point, a rabid dog just can't be rehabilitated. This guy will get out and will keep doing things like this until he actually kills someone. The system isn't failing the throat slasher, it's failing all of his past and future victims.

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Shurgosa t1_iyambzy wrote

Replying to justin_quinnn (#782,182)

I never meant to suggest that the safety of the public WAS a priority in prison systems because in countless places, if not every single place, it most certainly is not the priority. However. It SHOULD BE the priority.

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endosurgery t1_iyaohpy wrote

Replying to Jeremycycles (#776,141)

No, but colonialism helped create a system in which he was born with fetal alcohol syndrome. Should it lead to a lesser sentence? Idk, but he should’ve been getting help for his issues before he attacked people. Colonialism also lead to a system in which indigenous people have less access to these programs historically. So, should it be discussed in his trial? Probably. But, I’m not sure why he can’t have access to appropriate help in jail. I’m sure he is not the only one with this problem in there. It would make more sense to have help and protect the greater community from his violent shenanigans. I’m not in the legal system so I don’t understand the inner workings, but I am dismayed at the light sentence. Just my two cents.

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ygofukov t1_iyau5gi wrote

Replying to abramthrust (#785,101)

Using the hard -R was totally socially acceptable 150 years ago. So was the organized mass kidnapping, rape, and murder of Indiginous kids by the Canadian government that that very same act created.

Maybe those aren't the standards you should be choosing to hide behind.

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paku9000 t1_iyavnvj wrote

Only rich affluenza can keep you out of jail!

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/s

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Christhephotographer t1_iyb6ejl wrote

This person should be doing a 25 year bid or life sentence. They almost killed someone.

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clementine1864 t1_iybjyif wrote

Sounds like certain people will be getting a free pass on violence .

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clementine1864 t1_iybvsfn wrote

Replying to Prophet_of_Entropy (#794,225)

The legal system needs to decide what purpose it serves and how it does it . If the purpose is to become a tool of social engineering then the victim is of no concern and the public becomes prey with no recourse . The public should confront their government on its lack of concern for its citizens.

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gizmozed t1_iycmxzd wrote

Guess its good to know that idiot judges exist outside the US also.

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aew360 t1_iycyfpi wrote

Replying to MisterRipster (#768,811)

It’s a huge reason why right wingers have so much sway. Left-leaning leadership in the US and Canada is too soft on crime. We can talk all day about the causes and horrible cost of living conditions but like, holy shit why is this guy not getting locked up for life

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lonewolf210 t1_iydbpz6 wrote

Replying to Aldervale (#798,499)

That's like the literal exact opposite...

This is about poor aboriginals who have been oppressed and faced almost genocidal acts so they argue for leniency in sentencing due to the continued impacts on communities there.

The Affluenza case was about a white kid who argued that they are too rich and privileged to understand their actions

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hellomondays t1_iyeopoa wrote

Replying to Spoonfeedme (#814,745)

Also see the National Research Council (2014)'s report on the growth of incarceration in the US:

>Nevertheless, the evidence base demonstrates that lengthy prison sentences are ineffective as a crime control measure. Specifically, the incremental deterrent effect of increases in lengthy prison sentences is modest at best. Also, because recidivism rates decline markedly with age and prisoners necessarily age as they serve their prison sentence, lengthy prison sentences are an inefficient approach to preventing crime by incapacitation unless they are specifically targeted at very high-rate or extremely dangerous offenders. For these reasons, statutes mandating lengthy prison sentences cannot be justified on the basis of their effectiveness in preventing crime.

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