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hpark21 t1_ivy15il wrote

Reply to comment by TimeForHugs in Nevada passes sweeping version of Equal Rights Amendment by [deleted]

Where have you been in last 6 years? That is basically the premise of "Make America Great Again" campaign.

Ask ANY MAGA people WHEN was America GREAT and they all basically point to the 40-50 (maybe 60's?) during Jim Crow era pretty much.

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TimeForHugs t1_ivy2qwj wrote

What did I say to make you think I am unaware of the MAGA movement? All I said is that it's sad and stupid that people still have to fight for this stuff in this day and age.

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Due-Ad-7308 t1_ivy5bi6 wrote

You were fine. They've just got to hit their quota.

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Jeremyg93 t1_iw1fzno wrote

I think it’s probably this:

> …it's sad that it's 2022 and people are still having to fight for equal rights, women's rights, voter rights, etc. Really stupid that there are so many people that want to turn back the clock on progression…

Your framing here suggests a few things that are questionable.

You kind of suggest that there is something natural, almost preordained, about social ‘progression,’ when in reality, there is no point where these things are somehow immune to being destroyed by hate, corruption, and selfishness. Humanity will always be in a struggle to prevent these things. There is not some end-point to history.

Even in a world where we finally have absolute equality and prosperity for all, you still need the vigilance to maintain a just world and prevent retraction. Human culture is always mailable, for better as well as worse. In this way, there is nothing special about the year 2022.

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TimeForHugs t1_iw1ruc0 wrote

You aren't wrong with what you said but that still has absolutely nothing to do with the idea that I am unaware of MAGA.

Edit: It also doesn't make it any less stupid that people have to fight for these rights.

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Jeremyg93 t1_iw4sjbl wrote

Well one, you didn’t just say that it’s stupid that people have to fight for their rights. You said its stupid people still have to fight for rights in 2022.

I think it’s also arguable that there is no situation where it’s stupid to fight for your rights, even when you already have them comfortably. There is danger in assuming there is an after-we’re done phase to this. In reality it could just as well be an unending struggle.

And also there is no arbitrary time table for these things to happen. We should expect to fight these things our entire lives. Any expectations otherwise are not reasonable.

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TimeForHugs t1_iw6hzcx wrote

>I think it’s also arguable that there is no situation where it’s stupid to fight for your rights

You can't be serious. I never said it's stupid TO fight for rights, I said it's stupid people HAVE to. Is reading so hard?

And this still has nothing to do with the idea I'm unaware of MAGA. You keep arguing your point even when I said you aren't wrong. It makes no sense. Everything you said is fine but you keep trying to use it to answer the "unaware of MAGA" question when it has absolutely nothing to do with it. If you had just said your piece without trying to connect those two things then we wouldn't be having this dumb conversation and everything would be fine.

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no-one-but-crow t1_ivyr46v wrote

they point to the strong union era while voting against unions.

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COMPUTER1313 t1_ivyxny8 wrote

Back in high school (many years before MAGA took off), I knew someone that posted on Facebook about how they considered 1910-1920 to be the best time for the US in terms of society.

I asked them about the Chinese Exclusion Act in that FB thread, just to see if they were willing to die on that hill.

He stirred up quite a bit of high school drama when he told me that I was not welcomed in the US (which also implicitly included my siblings). Bear in mind that I was born in the US a couple years after my parents fled from China in the aftermath of the Tienanmen Square Massacre.

Then he caused more drama when he had a messy breakup with his girlfriend (something about her disagreeing with his stance of not wanting women to vote) and picked a fight with her large group of friends.

Also bear in mind that this high school was +95% white which he made himself an outcast of. Of the ~600 students, there was only one African American, one Hispanic, and the only Asians were me and my siblings.

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