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D_Alex t1_ixmfzav wrote
Reply to comment by drawkbox in European Parliament declares Russia a state sponsor of terrorism by twotwo_twentytwo
>Do you like to ask questions?
Yes, it is a hobby of mine. Pity you don't like answering them.
> you are pushing for Kremlin interests and angles and not even knowing it
I don't really care whose interests are served by facts. Fact is, the US f**ked up a nascent Iranian democracy in 1953.
drawkbox t1_ixmhz6c wrote
You mean Iran was setup by Russia, then coup'd many times by Russian and Britain when they wanted freedoms. Russia put an end to that with the theocratic autocracy they created to end the Western influence.
Iran was not a democracy, it was a monarchy (setup by Russia/Britain) and then a theocratic autocracy Islamic Republic after 1979.
The only time they had anything that opened up or was Western was 1953-1979, until Russia got them back in the Iron Curtain.
Same with Afghanistan, only time it was at least headed in the right direction was after the Soviets were defeated and the US was able to at least let women get educated, until Russia shut that down with their fronts.
You just love that Kremlin propaganda. I can't believe this one still works on you unless you are just steeped in Eastern ideology or propaganda.
It is unfortunate when people like you fall for propaganda like this, shows how propagandized Iranians are as well. When it does open up, you'll be surprised how far the Kremlin went to keep it locked down. The stories will come out, just like when the USSR fell, when East Germany was returned to Germany (where Putin learned most of his agent of influence drive active measure divisive techniques in the KGB/Stasi) and so will Iran.
D_Alex t1_ixmpe0l wrote
No, I mean exactly what I said. The US f**ked up Iran’s nascent democracy. US were the baddies. That’s just facts. Confirmed by the CIA, actually.
drawkbox t1_ixmqfh4 wrote
So you admit you wanted a Soviet Iran and no Western influence in Iran at all. Very Eastern of you.
And is the CIA in the room with you right now?
So you think Russia and Britain had nothing to do with Iran?
Was the Kremlin just at their babushkas eating creme and pink sausage during all this, good little sukas?
US helped because it was after WWII and they wanted to remove autocracies and protect against Soviets taking countries and turning them into that. It was the better of two bad choices. Around 1950 they realized Soviets true intentions, same as Russian Empire, world domination and they stop at nothing unless you stop them.
Only the Kremlin and you blame the US for that solely.
"Thank you for your service to Mother Russia D_Alex" -- Putin
D_Alex t1_ixmrbai wrote
Britain was in cahoots with the US and helped to orchestrate the 1953 coup that overthrew a democratically elected Iranian government. You should read the Wikipedia article, where the reasons behind the coup are quite clearly explained.
Actually... I’m starting to think that you are a silly troll.
drawkbox t1_ixmu4he wrote
Uh oh, they were in cahoots! /s
I wonder who Russia was in cahoots with at the time? Oh, they are invisible to you, just like you have been Pavlovian programmed.
You should read about history all around the event. The ones that you hear about will be pushed to you but taken out of the timeline of history will not be fully clear. That is the goal of those that misinform...
You do know there were three coups in Iran in the 1900s? Russia did two and Britain/US did the other. Are those not important to you?
Why do you hate Persians and Iran having freedom and moving Western?
Do you prefer the theocratic autocracy that the Kremlin setup after their last coup?
Do you prefer Eastern style closed authoritarianism to Western style open systems?
D_Alex t1_ixofh9q wrote
>You should read about history all around the event.
You keep telling me what to do, but from your walls of text it is very clear that you don't have much of an idea of historical facts.
>...will not be fully clear. That is the goal of those that misinform...
Sums up your writings.
>You do know there were three coups in Iran in the 1900s? Russia did two and Britain/US did the other. Are those not important to you?
No, not in the context of this conversation.
>Why do you hate Persians and Iran having freedom
Why do you keep saying stupid stuff?
>Do you prefer Eastern style closed authoritarianism to Western style open systems?
Not sure what you actually mean, but it is just stupid to claim that Iran was "Western style open" after the US led coup against a democratically elected Iranian government.
drawkbox t1_ixothqd wrote
You have already proven you prefer the Eastern authoritarian one party mafia state with closed markets and no freedoms over the Western liberalized democratic republics with open markets and personal freedoms.
Why do you want Iranians to stay leveraged to the Kremlin and in autocracy? That was the choice, you prefer the Kremlin based on how you attack the West's efforts to open Iran.
Why does the Kremlin not want Iran to make a trade deal and nuclear deal with the West? Think about that hard now...
You haven't even mentioned Russia, who has messed with Iran the most, even today, yet you ignore. Why don't you stop fronting? Kremlin loves you dude, stay misinformed, naive and hopefully biased.
Do you want Iran to be part of the global community or just owned by the Kremlin? Right now you are choosing the latter.
Here's the real test: If you had to choose between being allied/owned by Russia or allied with the West, which would you choose?
D_Alex t1_ixp5zh9 wrote
>the West's efforts to open Iran
Including:
- Overthrow of a democratically elected government
- [Military support of an aggressor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
- Destroying oil platforms
- Shooting down a civilian jetliner
- Sanctions and embargoes
>Why does the Kremlin not want Iran to make a trade deal and nuclear deal with the West?
>Here's the real test: If you had to choose between being allied/owned by Russia or allied with the West, which would you choose?
I choose "being allied with Russia". Now - are you going to respect my choice, or send in the CIA to destabilise my country?
drawkbox t1_ixp9iz3 wrote
At least you admit you are pro-Russia.
The thing is, Russia setup the Shahdom, it was really still a monarchy they also setup the "elections" which were meant to make the Soviets look like good stewards. Same front Putin tried when he took over in 2000, it was immediately apparent that was not sincere. The thing is, Russia has "elections" not elections. They make a mockery of the system and manipulate, pump leveraged candidates and do not allow true opposition. The same type of "democracy" they put in Russia is what they do in their places they try to front and act like it is valid, it isn't. Mosaddegh was a Soviet puppet meant to take Iran to the same place that Soviets took them in 1979, hardline theocratic state, they were already doing this in Syria and Soviet Republics like Chechnya.
The Iran/Iraq war and South America was another round of Kremlin trying to create divisions/separatism/balkanization/civil wars/chaos to put their leveraged puppets in power using active measures and agents of influence in the countries, overstepping their sovereignty without their approval in most cases, just like Iran. They put in people, then get mad and want to remove them, over and over. The people that will be autocrats and give their bratvas what they need they keep them in power forever (Syria (Assad and his father), North Korea (Kims), etc).
Myanmar and Sri Lanka today are what the Kremlin does to places before rebuilding, they coup using the military or break the economic system as a start. They have done this to Argentina many, many, many times. Venezuela as well. Taking the Russian "deal" is a leverage play and only the biggest sukas in history fall for it. Xi being one of the biggest dunces in this regard. MBS as well. Good luck to them.
Since Russia and the Kremlin have a tsarist/mafia state style and are authoritarian/autocratic with fixed markets, no one in the West is down with that and many people under those systems aren't with it either. If you like that, you do you.
US wasn't even a superpower until 1945, didn't have intel until 1947. Meanwhile Russia has had intel since 1800s, and was running the Great Game and prior conquests/imperialism for centuries. It is hilarious when they blame the CIA, it is almost cartoon level absurd.
We can agree to disagree.
D_Alex t1_ixpa996 wrote
Sure, we can agree to disagree. But honestly, you seem to be poorly informed and quite biased on the matter of US meddling in the affairs of other countries.
drawkbox t1_ixpadfv wrote
Sure, we can agree to disagree. But honestly, you seem to be poorly informed and quite biased on the matter of Kremlin meddling in the affairs of other countries.
I'd prefer the Kremlin leave Iran alone and let them get the nuclear deal and into the world markets. The people of Iran deserve a break and to stop being used as a Kremlin front to attack the world like all the other Kremlin client states.
D_Alex t1_ixpbjte wrote
>prefer the Kremlin leave Iran alone and let them get the nuclear deal and into the world markets.
Man... you really are poorly informed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
drawkbox t1_ixpg0yy wrote
Trump was a Kremlin puppet, you can't be this dense.
Obama got the deal, Biden is working on getting it back.
Kremlin NEEDS to have no nuclear deal and the world to keep blocking Iran from the market, it is how they own their client states like Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and more. Same technique from the Iron Curtain days.
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