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PPQue6 t1_ivi6mn1 wrote
Soooo potential Hatch Act and misuse of government property = big no no.
But being the president and violating the Hatch Act and trying to stop the election from getting certified is A ok apparently...
Jesus christ we're so beyond fucked.
guachi01 t1_ivibfj7 wrote
Presidents can't violate the Hatch Act. You might think they can but, nope, they can't.
ThisIsDadLife t1_iviesd9 wrote
True. However everyone else in the White House including family members of the president and Vice President can. And did. Multiple times. With no consequences.
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Aazadan t1_ivirz89 wrote
The problem with the Hatch Act is that it's a joke, since charges largely stem from if the President agrees with the persons violation or not. And as long as the violation is in line with the views of what the President wants, they'll never see it that way.
It's a good idea in theory, but as written it's borderline unenforceable, and has next to no consequences when enforced.
SerendipitySue t1_ivic4g3 wrote
usually people just get warned or it is entered on their record. it certainly does not mean she would get charged or anything like that.
[deleted] t1_ivi9e7y wrote
That’s exactly right.
Sensate60 t1_ivjboyd wrote
Have you noticed the DOJ since Trump has only targeted Democratic folks in the DOJ? I am very suspect about this investigation.
Drgntrnr t1_ivk6lmh wrote
Isn’t the DOJ doing an active investigation on Trump right now?
NoHalf2998 t1_ivl7rxd wrote
Not the same group inside the DoJ
Drgntrnr t1_ivlk0se wrote
I’m confused then, so you’re upset they’re targeting Democrats since Trump, but since Trump the DOJ has literally been investigating Trump.
NoHalf2998 t1_ivmbc88 wrote
I’m not upset about anything. I was pointing out that different groups run entirely separately inside the DoJ pursue different agendas.
venmome10cents t1_ivpqejm wrote
>the DOJ since Trump has only targeted Democratic folks
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Maybe just admit that your post was an exaggeration / misinformation. * (edit: this comment from earlier in thread wasn't you. my bad!)*
NoHalf2998 t1_ivq5gat wrote
Did you know that different names indicate that different people are saying things?
venmome10cents t1_ivroz0a wrote
lol. I guess I did not know that! sincerely sorry for my poor reading comprehension.
mcs_987654321 t1_ivlye0t wrote
That’s not true - there have definitely been investigations of Republicans too.
That said: I strongly suspect that the DOJ gets flooded with plausible reports/tips of improper activities by Dems - petty bullshit like this being a prime example.
They can’t just NOT investigate reliable reports because that would be politically biased, and then the GOP PR machine gets to leak the story.
It’s a cheap political attack, and fucks w the DOJ’s ability to focus on other, serious investigations, but doesn’t necessarily point to thinks being screwed up within the DOJ itself.
Sensate60 t1_ivq23d1 wrote
Which attorneys in the DOJ were Republicans that you are speaking of? Source? Dates of these investigations?
mcs_987654321 t1_ivq5lb5 wrote
Paxton, Texas. Too many investigations to name, DOJ has played a role in several of them.
Sensate60 t1_ivtp5zv wrote
Ahh yea, do you know how long he has been under investigation? Many many years and nothing has happened. Which to me is pretty suspect
PPQue6 t1_ivk6mfc wrote
Amazing how that works right?
ImminentZero t1_ivk3qji wrote
>and trying to stop the election from getting certified is A ok apparently
Are you under the impression that nothing is being done about this? There are several grand juries convened currently for the exact issue.
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upvoatsforall t1_ivj9tcm wrote
Did you vote?
PPQue6 t1_ivk6kjx wrote
Yes I voted today...
T1442 t1_ivjlr2d wrote
Not only that, Trump fired inspector general's investigating his people and replaced them with Trump boot lickers. Biden on the other hand leaves Trump boot lickers in the inspector general spots.
That is what makes this so beyond fucked. Joe Biden is weak.
wsucougs t1_ivii3qo wrote
No wonder, we can’t look at any piece of information without an instant whataboutism.
DifficultyWithMyLife t1_ivj72m7 wrote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism#Defense
>Some commentators have defended the usage of whataboutism and tu quoque in certain contexts. Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair. In international relations, behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be quite good for a given geopolitical neighborhood, and deserves to be recognized as such.
>Christian Christensen, Professor of Journalism in Stockholm, argues that the accusation of whataboutism is itself a form of the tu quoque fallacy, as it dismisses criticisms of one's own behavior to focus instead on the actions of another, thus creating a double standard. Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.
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and_dont_blink t1_ivieyy7 wrote
I'm a little confused PPQue6, are you saying you're good with the allegations of prosecutors taking financial rewards from groups and want no investigation? Or because the investigation is still ongoing with the former President, no others should be?
How familiar with the Hatch Act are you, or why it was enacted?
cujobob t1_ivih7w4 wrote
Taking financial rewards? The article says she attended a fundraiser related to Jill Biden and she claims she was given permission to do so.
It stands out this is being probed by people unfamiliar with the topic because we have a Supreme Court Justice whose wife literally tried to have an election overturned, a Court all tied to the Federalist Society, and so on, but this woman attended a fundraiser and it’s potentially improper.
I believe it should be looked into if it meets the threshold for impropriety, but it’s still sort of weird that more powerful people can do it all day and night and nothing happens. It’s kind of like saying there’s a speed limit for anyone making under $100,000 a year only. Sure there are different mechanisms in place to hold others accountable, but they’re obviously broken.
and_dont_blink t1_ivihzkb wrote
>Taking financial rewards? The article says she attended a fundraiser related to Jill Biden and she claims she was given permission to do so.
...permission by whom? You can't be given permission to violate the Hatch Act.
You also seem to be leaving out her being flown out to Hollywood by CAA for their party (the large talent agency), which yes is taking financial rewards. eg, a contractor doesn't have to physical hand a zoning commissioner money, he can just have a friend do some landscaping work for free or give them free stays in their hotel. That's why those rules exist.
You also seem to be ignoring her use of personal devices for official business, a huge issue for records and transparency and investigations.
cujobob t1_iviiapu wrote
How can I ignore an issue that hasn’t been confirmed to be true? She’s being investigated… hence the title “probing US Attorney.”
You may like to assume that violations occur without evidence, but that’s not how the real world works.
If her meeting with Biden was signed off on, then it is possible her attending a function makes sense. That’s apparently what is being said in her defense. The article states this. Read the article.
and_dont_blink t1_ivikf4d wrote
>How can I ignore an issue that hasn’t been confirmed to be true?
I mean, you were willing to discuss one of the allegations, even though we don't know the specific circumstances yet? And we do know she was told to repay the Hollywood agency, per the article.
Yet you seemed to want to avoid the others by not mentioning them and making it only about that one, but not the having her trip paid for by a Hollywood agency or the usage of a personal phone for official business... Considering both the explanations were given by the same types of anonymous sources omitting the others seems a little sus?
> She’s being investigated… hence the title “probing US Attorney.”
We can agree there is nothing wrong with the Justice Department investigating the accusations of violating the Hatch Act?
cujobob t1_ivjbz1t wrote
The weird part here is that you didn’t address the entire point I originally made regarding why people are confused by this. By today’s standards, even what’s accused, would be completely mild compared to what those on the highest court and in other areas of the government are doing. You’re pushing a narrative. I literally stated I believed it should be looked into. Your bias is showing and that’s why you’re being downvoted.
and_dont_blink t1_ivjd3db wrote
>The weird part here is that you didn’t address the entire point I originally made regarding why people are confused by this.
I did, and people aren't that confused by it. You said a lot of things, and keep changing what you say they meant. First it was that she hadn't taken anything, then it was ignoring allegations that had no evidence (when it was really you were ignoring allegations she hadn't refuted).
>By today’s standards, even what’s accused, would be completely mild
By whose standards? Corruption and selective prosecution are both real issues, but handwaving whataboutisms doesn't make politics cleaner even if it's one of our own. Again, is your argument that her taking financial favors or violating the Hatch Act is mild and doesn't matter in this day and age? Do you know why we have them? Do you know why government agents are not supposed to be conducting business on personal equipment?
I do actually have a real issue with selective prosecution and "rules for thee but not for me", but handwaving away these things because it's our side does no one any favors, least of all our democracy, and completely cedes any moral high ground.
>You’re pushing a narrative.
Are you projecting a bit there cujobob?
Edit: Ohhhh noooo I've been blocked. Anyways...
cujobob t1_ivjguax wrote
Misrepresenting my stance, eh? Go troll somewhere else.
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