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Timeformayo t1_iy6vdxg wrote

No, no. You don't understand. Murder is legal as long as it is in the shareholders' interests.

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MrGeekman t1_iy72z3v wrote

Jackie Chiles: I’ve been wanting a piece of them for years!

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Skeletore-full-power t1_iy74agi wrote

i thought rico was usually for organized crime syndicates, drug dealing and money laundering. didn't know rico was used for anything else.

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Kewkky t1_iy755oc wrote

Time to put it out there for the world to blatantly see with no excuses in the way: does the US prefer fossil fuel interests, or their own citizens?

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its8up t1_iy77ato wrote

Big oil been price fixing for far longer than anyone's been concerned about the 'global warming' of climate change. Is price fixing not an issue that falls under RICO? Why not go after the bastards for all the crimes you can?

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Doomsday31415 t1_iy7aabt wrote

These oil companies should be forced to pay hundreds of trillions of dollars for the damage their disinformation campaigns have caused. At an estimated 1 trillion tons of excess CO2 and $600 per ton to remove it, $600,000,000,000,000 is the (current) cost to undo that just part of the damage.

Oh, they don't that much money? That's fine, we can just nationalize their asses instead.

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samhall67 t1_iy7opb4 wrote

Now let's call it a class action and enroll every Human on the planet since their inception.

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drawkbox t1_iy7pjot wrote

OPEC and OPEC+ is the cartel. Only going after US/West oil companies will only make their grip and leverage stronger. Go at OPEC+, that is the real organized crime and collusion, causing lots of the inflation currently as mafias do for extortion when their guy isn't in power. When they collude it caused inflation and supply chain costs for all products to go up, it is a lever on extortion.

What this is is the OPEC cartel using Puerto Rico to go at US companies to try to create a wedge to balkanize, divide and cause internal conflict while they gain.

Don't fall for false fronts and false opposition like this, it is how mafia works.

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Bin_Evasion t1_iy7uk61 wrote

The fossil fuel industry needs to be destroyed immediately. Seize all their assets without compensation and dismantle their operations. They are the enemy of the people.

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AvogadrosMoleSauce t1_iy7v4a5 wrote

Good luck to them; I can't really think of any action against the fossil fuel industry that I wouldn't support.

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thebarkbarkwoof t1_iy7v6l6 wrote

It’s exactly what they do. Too bad PR had no chance of ultimately winning.

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ZsMann t1_iy7vxja wrote

Replying to its8up (#757,055)

Becuase you only want to use the ones that you can prove beyond resonable doubt. I have seen the copies from I think Mobil if my memory is correct from like the 60s that discuss emissions and increased temp. Also look at what groups lobbied to change global warming to climate change.

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maxpowerdj t1_iy7yfm0 wrote

RICO Lawsuit against PNPPD when?
IYKYK

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Relevant_Quantity_49 t1_iy7ytjx wrote

If anyone is interested in how these companies promote climate denial, Naomi Oreskes' and Erik Conway's Merchants of Doubt lays it out. The tl;dr is they're running the playbook tobacco companies wrote...with many of the same players.

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NetworkLlama t1_iy80kmq wrote

Replying to Skeletore-full-power (#756,545)

It is. Most jurisdictions have special forms that have to be completed before a judge will even look at the claims, and the overwhelming majority of cases are dismissed immediately. RICO doesn't mean "these companies do bad things so they should pay." It means "these people colluded in a very specific manner to break specific laws."

The federal government has trouble winning RICO cases with effectively infinite resources and time. This case has almost no chance.

Or, as Popehat says, "It's never RICO."

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theClumsy1 t1_iy8274c wrote

Replying to ZsMann (#760,889)

>change global warming to climate change.

???

Climate change is a more inclusive term to capture all the effects of a warming planet.

Places that were wet before will dry up(some will become more wet), extreme storms will be more frequent, massive swings in temperatures will be frequent, jet streams will change, the gulf stream will change....a warmer global is just the tip of the iceburg of what will happen to the overall and individual climates of the world.

Edit: For example, an idiot will point out a warmer global doesn't directly explain britian will be seeing more snow and colder winters. That's explained by the gulf stream moving due to fresh water dumping into the ocean. Climate change > Global warming

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Fak-U-2 t1_iy82r22 wrote

Replying to maxpowerdj (#761,463)

never, they need that organized corruption on the island. theres still plenty of Boricuas there once the boricuas are out they will come and save the day.

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TheMan6491 t1_iy868j5 wrote

...and the Supreme Court has been asked to weigh in on where those cases belong.

I hope that doesn't get in front of the current supreme court.

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79r100 t1_iy88ztx wrote

It worked against big tobacco. Its funny how we all know they knew why they were denying climate change. I have my doubts this Supreme Court would favor the litigators.

Also, does PR need to consolidate their municipalities? 78 of them? Is there ever consensus?

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ZsMann t1_iy8ap05 wrote

Replying to theClumsy1 (#762,261)

While you aren't wrong, which is the best kind of correct, people are less concerned with climate change than they were with global warming. Studies were done, and climate change was easier to down play in severity than global warming was.

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Pulguinuni t1_iy8fdep wrote

Replying to 79r100 (#764,006)

Consolidation will not happen. They have centralized government services per region now, but because of history and culture it will not happen. Some of the small towns were founded by the first colonizers (Spain) between 1500-1600, even before the US was even a thought.

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Pulguinuni t1_iy8fjpw wrote

Replying to samhall67 (#759,718)

What the article states is that multiple municipalities all through the US are suing, not only in Puerto Rico. Wouldn’t be too far fetched to think that it could very well be a class action eventually.

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ZsMann t1_iy8ls17 wrote

Replying to theClumsy1 (#766,205)

In 2002, Republican consultant Frank Luntz wrote a memo arguing that Republicans start using the latter term. “ ‘Climate change’ is less frightening than ‘global warming,’ ” he wrote. “While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge.”

Washing Post Article

I think there's a Cheney documentary that also mentions it with focus groups.

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JustAPerspective t1_iy8yj8z wrote

They're absolutely right and the people who made those choices will never be held accountable under the current system.

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InkIcan t1_iy9dpje wrote

Very suave way to use RICO. Rico Suave!

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DucatiSteve1299 t1_iy9gfke wrote

Just turn off all the fuel to make them happy. Problem solved. Ride bicycles not cars.

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theClumsy1 t1_iy9iali wrote

Replying to ZsMann (#767,248)

>Even years before that, international institutions had paved the way for “climate change” to eventually become the prevalent term. The U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change was negotiated in 1992, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established in 1988.

I mean...the scientific consensus was using that term prior to the 2002.

Global warming just became the popular choice after congressional testimonials and Al Gore's inconvenient truth came out in 2006.

It wasnt until more recently that we when back to climate change because we are now seeing the effects of it outside of just increasing temperatures. Before it was mostly rising temperatures but we werent seeing historic records being broken every year. Now its europe was on fire, china has a massive increasing desert and Mississippi reaching historics lows in water depth and africa having multi year droughts...etc.

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JohnGillnitz t1_iybar8z wrote

I mean... They obviously aren't wrong.

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SmokeySB t1_iydu2d5 wrote

The court wil rule that the everyone in Costa Rica wil be put under house arrest.

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