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Talumel t1_iuu6y4w wrote

Wouldn’t believe a word coming out of his lying mouth

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aleph32 t1_iuuakeh wrote

He's still gung-ho for Trump. They just want to question him, particularly about his claims that Trump declassified the documents he was caught with. On Monday he said this:

> “I’m all in with the boss, and you know that,” Mr. Patel said. “First, I tell people, let’s win the midterms. And then let’s see what he does and, you know, you and I think I know what he’s going to do.

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Eliju t1_iuub6d6 wrote

He wouldn't be granted immunity if he didn't do something illegal. They don't just hand out immunity. They catch a low level schmuck doing something minor, but illegal enough that he doesn't want to be prosecuted and wind up in jail, they tell him they'll make it go away if he can give them something to take the boss down and then he's granted immunity.

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hoosakiwi OP t1_iuub844 wrote

It doesn't sound like there is an immunity agreement. Rather, it sounds as if the prosecutors granted him immunity in order to get a judge to compel him to testify.

He won't be able to claim the 5th anymore (like he did last month), but I don't think it will stop him from saying "I don't recall". Unsure how valuable his testimony will be...

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Yarddogkodabear t1_iuubl48 wrote

If he purgers himself whilst under immunity what happens?

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ent4rent t1_iuud1zo wrote

If he doesn't spill beans, then he can't claim immunity when prosecutors obtain evidence independently. It's in his best interest to put everything on the table now

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Hamwise420 t1_iuud9bx wrote

the immunity is contingent upon him being cooperative and truthful, if they can show he isn't then there is no immunity and they can prosecute for whatever other crime they may have him on.

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vexpopped t1_iuue6ey wrote

He is being given immunity in order to force him to testify without being able to claim the 5th amendment as he did the last time he testified, however they will be able to revoke that immunity if he lies to them and the DOJ already knows the answers.

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usedtodreddit t1_iuufcrr wrote

Once given immunity for a Grand Jury, you no longer get to claim the 5th Amendment privilege and it becomes VERY easy to be found guilty of perjury if you aren't entirely truthful because the Grand Jury is going to also be seating any and every other person with knowledge of the same issues and if everyone's story don't match, someone's going to wind up doing time.

The real risk here, I fear, is he might somehow be able to pull a Oliver North and take blame for everything himself now that he can't get in trouble for it. Boy was that ever a shitshow and all it did is provide Reagan with "Plausible Deniability". I F'ing hate those words.

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geronimo1958 t1_iuuj3oz wrote

Watch him lie anyway. It is the republican way. Remember Ollie North.

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chadenright t1_iuus84l wrote

The fifth amendment, once upon a time, prevented one from being compelled to incriminate oneself via testimony. However, that hasn't stopped courts from attempting to compel people to incriminate themselves anyhow, and the last-ditch line of defense against that is to simply be unable to remember any of the incriminating evidence you are being compelled to testify about.

If you aren't a big-wig politician with the pull to buy off a judge it generally results in contempt of court.

https://www.techdirt.com/2016/04/28/so-much-fifth-amendment-man-jailed-seven-months-not-turning-over-password/

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DeificClusterfuck t1_iuus932 wrote

Kash Patel is a known liar. The Justice Department is aware of this. If he's proven to have lied it will fuck any immunity deal on the table. Whether or not Kash is sufficiently scared of prison to keep that in mind is another matter.

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rchart1010 t1_iuutyzj wrote

Kash Patel is the very worst of the worst and was involved in some of the shadiest shit. IIRC, he likely faked a presidential memo, tried to send it out and then denied having anything to do with it.

Like he is one of those opportunists who literally has zero morals. Such that he was a standout in the trump administration.

No one should believe a single word he says without first verifying it.

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Federal_Ninja_4637 t1_iuuv7kn wrote

He knows what trump was doing with the stolen documents this really going to hurt trump

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Graterof2evils t1_iuuwir9 wrote

Yeah he’s the guy that’s had the information that’s coming out any day now , for the last six years. And just wait. When you hear it it’s going to blow your freaking mind! Don’t forget Hunter.

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itsDEE4 t1_iuuxose wrote

How long until he is suicided?

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BowwwwBallll t1_iuuy5lt wrote

An immunity AGREEMENT can be very broad. The witness can agree that nothing in his testimony can incriminate him, OR that nothing that the government finds out as a result of his testimony can incriminate him. Which is a very nice deal.

Having immunity GRANTED can mean as little as no prosecution for the answers given in response to questioning, BUT, if the answers open an investigation into other illicit dealings independent of the actions about which the witness is questioned, the witness can and will be prosecuted for those.

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raistlin65 t1_iuvi4ui wrote

>From what I've seen the FBI isn't fucking around or taking big risks on this case.

Yep. And federal prosecutors have a shitload more experience in deciding whether or not somebody can be a reliable witness, than Reddit users. lol

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Cfp0001-Iceman t1_iuvpwut wrote

> I'm assuming they have something more to bring to the table than their own word.

Pretty sure they got video or recorded evidence. Considering how much Trump threatened to release the tapes, I think the tapes were being used against him already.

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Murgos- t1_iuvrsmz wrote

I don’t like this development. It means they don’t think they have ‘enough’ from other sources and need kash's testimony.

Kash likely should be in prison too.

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RSquared t1_iuvwiyf wrote

A notable fuckup was a grant of immunity to Oliver North when testifying to Congress about Iran-Contra. He successfully overturned his conviction because the prosecution couldn't show that they absolutely didn't use his public testimony in preparing the ironclad case against him.

Another one is the medic who was supposed to testify against Eddie Gallagher, and was granted immunity, only to claim that he himself did the killing that Gallagher was accused of.

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katievspredator t1_iuvwsab wrote

I don't think you know how immunity works. He has to testify or he can get 5 years in jail. If he refuses to answer, he violates the agreement and he gets jail. I don't think he would take this deal if he was prepared to go to jail for the orange menace. I'll trust the DOJ on this one

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Zolome1977 t1_iuvxdow wrote

I know how immunity works, he is a bad witness to testify. He is a known liar, conman, all which can be used by the defense to paint a picture he is not a trustworthy witness. It doesn’t matter if he is telling the truth, his character is detriment.

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Teamnoq t1_iuvxtav wrote

I love how you get immunity, a pardon, a subpoena, or a lawsuit when you’re involved with Trump. It’s like being part of fight club or the Mafia.

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katievspredator t1_iuvy1lg wrote

Literally every legal expert commenting on this says otherwise. You don't get deals like this until you're in the end game of an investigation and the investigators know what you know already. They don't offer immunity to find out what you're hiding, they offer immunity because they already know what you did and want the higher ups

The whole team of investigators working on this have specialties in dealing with the mob. They were hired specifically to flip people loyal to a crime boss. I think they know what they're doing

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AshleyNeku t1_iuw057g wrote

"Just the other day a man comes up to me, he's crying, and he asks me...why? Why did Cartman kill himself?"

"Kash."

"Yeah, Johnny Cash too. Very talented, I never knew the man, but I heard he liked birds."

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charliedog8 t1_iuw1oel wrote

Trump lawyer: "He's a known liar. That's why Trump hired him." Checkmate. Next witness please....

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billpalto t1_iuw6pxv wrote

As William Cohen (Republican Sec of Defense) said, "If I had even one of those documents at my home, I'd be in handcuffs already."

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Slutdragonxxxpert t1_iuw6wal wrote

I hate immunity sometimes they get compromised and lie anyway and I know there are conditions but still.

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iAmTheHYPE- t1_iuwbrb7 wrote

> Such that he was a standout in the trump administration.

Never heard of him until this year, in contrast to people like Bannon, Stephen Miller, A Shit Pie, Jeff Sessions, Barr, Kushner, etc.

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TurboSalsa t1_iuwdg83 wrote

Trump was already ranting this morning on some Newmax morning show that nobody watches that the system is rigged and the American people won't stand for holding him accountable. I think he knows it's about to go down.

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rchart1010 t1_iuwn4dm wrote

Yeah, I only heard about him in books about the end of the trump administration. He was brought in when trump wasn't even trying anymore and was just trying to install loyalists to keep him in power. Kash Patel is an absolute worm.

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rchart1010 t1_iuwnuly wrote

Perhaps. I still would make sure to verify everything he had to say and I would assume he is sharing information with the other side and working to destroy evidence if he can.

He, IMO, is just as likely to make up information and publicly release it to "prove" that the justice department did something wrong and hope he can scare and bully them into not having him comply at all.

Even the logic that applies to shitty humans doesn't seem to apply to him.

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thewaldenpuddle t1_iuwoyav wrote

No…… my guess is that the immunity applies to not prosecuting him for admission of any crimes on his part during his testimony. But if he LIES under oath….. then I’m assuming he would still be liable for that.

In this case, he has far less incentive to lie, because he can’t be held accountable for anything he says when he tells the truth….

But for people circulating in the trump world….. lying/breathing…. Same, same….

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Lucky-Load2637 t1_iuwpa2m wrote

Oh I absolutely see him trying that. But lying to the DoJ isn't like lying to the press. There are real consequences to it. And there's no way they'll ask him anything they don't already have the answer to.

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Morchaint t1_iuwpmqk wrote

Immunity is always contingent on cooperation and honesty. If you fail to meet the terms of the immunity, the immunity is lost. In other words, if he is caught lying he loses his immunity deal.

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ImSabbo t1_iuwptif wrote

Ah, I see. That makes sense.

I think I had misremembered the meaning of "perjury" anyway as "admitting to a crime while under oath (aside from the one/s being tried)" rather than "lying under oath". Hopefully I'll remember from here on.

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rchart1010 t1_iuwxh9i wrote

He is the type who would just try to take down the DoJ if he got caught lying. There just aren't any scruples, any rules with him. I dont like to throw around diagnoses lightly but I think he is likely a sociopath.

And I'd bet good money that he is working behind the scenes on everything they ask him about to destroy or fabricate evidence. I'm sure the DOJ lawyers are savvy, I just think this guy is a special kind of evil.

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Reeleted t1_iuwz2ti wrote

This is literally a post about him. You come into a post about him, read about him, then cry because you're sick of reading about him. When aaaaallllll along, you could have just downvoted and moved on. Seems crazy to me.

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justforthearticles20 t1_iux5egl wrote

Granted immunity. Will now testify that all illegal actions were his doing. Trump to he exonerated by his loyal lapdog Garland.

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rchart1010 t1_iux7lyp wrote

>Wouldn’t that violate the terms of his immunity?

Probably and for an average, normal human you'd consider that jail or imprisonment would be a consequence. I dont think he is the type to think that way. Rather I think he is the type to try to fabricate or destroy evidence, publicly make false statements to undermine DOJ trust and activate the trump crazies to enact some violence in response to whatever lies he makes up..

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ACorania t1_iuxbqdz wrote

Soooo tired of all the Trump is a criminal stories... we know. None of it matters if we won't ever hold him accountable... it's not news until then.

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picasso71 t1_iuxe0oe wrote

Immunity only shields from previous actions, usually limited to the scope of what's being investigated. Lieing under oath would be a future action, and not covered. In fact if the testimony is markedly different from what information was given during the investigation, I think the immunity can be revoked, and actually cause more legal troubles.

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VegasKL t1_iuxf0e7 wrote

Sounds like they set a trap for him. He's an idiot if he falls into it, but I like the odds.

If he lies and they have evidence he did, he screws himself. If he took the immunity so he could lie without pleading the fifth instead, he's an idiot.

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Cli4ordtheBRD t1_iuxxmn9 wrote

Oh for sure. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know how to tell the truth when his freedom depends on doing so. He's a grifter, not a true believer. And the defense can try to shred his credibility (not hard because it comes pre-shredded) but it helps to build the case and allows them to bring in evidence they might not otherwise be able to introduce.

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Graterof2evils t1_iuy3u71 wrote

And you’ll leave a guy that scrambles back to his political icons that do nothing for you. Waiting for the crumbs to trickle down or for your turn to be rich. I love when you expect people to be prosecuted with no evidence. You prove your character is the same as the liars you worship. I’m an independent and don’t play team politics. Your politics are based on false information and unproven policies.

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zenivinez t1_iuyt2n6 wrote

I wonder if that will matter in 5 days. I really don't like this deciding whether to continue being a democracy bullshit.

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