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TravelingMan304 t1_is6rl0v wrote

Reply to comment by AJVenom123 in Feds: Ex Louisville Police Officer Used Law Enforcement Tech To Help Hack Sexually Explicit Photos From Women by FuegoFerdinand

Don't give your phone to the police. Don't use biometric security.

Use physical copies of insurance, registration, and license, no matter how hard they try to push digital equivalents.

Once your phone is in a cops hands, unlocked, courts have ruled that they can look at anything they like, and it can be used as evidence.

Edit: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/its-legal-cops-seize-cell-phone-impersonate-owner

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c_swartzentruber t1_is7338b wrote

>Don't use biometric security.

Worth noting that on iPhones you can lock out the ability to use biometrics by pressing and holding Side + volume button until you see the "Slide to Power Off". At that point it can only be unlocked with your passcode/password, and you cannot be compelled by law enforcement to unlock your phone if it's locked with a passcode/password due to the 5th Amendment. Obviously you need to be able to quickly recall how to do that procedure in an emergency.

But yes, the suggestion to only use physical versions of things is good advice.

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Herzeleid- t1_is769tx wrote

Works for Pixel phones as well, "lockdown" option with the same inputs

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raymondcy t1_is7dqci wrote

What's interesting is that with the advent of Digital IDs on the horizon, you are basically required (not necessarily by law - but by logistics) to unlock your phone.

I think there needs to be a separation of technology on the phone to show your digital ID vs opening your phone. That is to say you can log in but only have access to your ID, everything else is still encrypted.

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incognito_wizard t1_is7vl3a wrote

Good idea, alternatively a secondary phone you just leave in the car that is only used for that and not synced to any other account but a software solution would be more convenient and safe enough for the average user.

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raymondcy t1_is7w55w wrote

Great alternative suggestion until they can figure out a software solution - a second phone that is.

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Illseemyselfout- t1_is9jgnj wrote

For the time being, I’ll just keep my actual driver’s license in my wallet and not put any incriminating shit on my phone.

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TravelingMan304 t1_is7wmg6 wrote

You can enable multiple users on Android and it is supposed to keep all data separate I think, but it will be a long time before they stop offering a physical card.

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Silversolverteal t1_is6tr0a wrote

Why no biometrics? I'm just curious.

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Derago332 t1_is6uamc wrote

In the US, they can get a warrant to force you to unlock with biometics.

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Silversolverteal t1_is6vb86 wrote

Oh wow! Thank you for sharing!

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Morat20 t1_is74a3m wrote

Courts (in America -- although there might be a new case about this hovering around?) basically view passwords/PINs as speech. So you have a fifth amendment right (in general) where you cannot be compelled to tell them or unlock it for them.

Biometrics are seen as physical -- like a key to a lock, or your DNA -- which you can be compelled to provide. Forcing you give them up isn't seen as incriminating yourself any more than demanding your fingerprints are.

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