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thefugue t1_itvg8tg wrote

So China is doing shady things according to a shady organization.

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Dr-P-Ossoff t1_itvizvk wrote

What a gross understatement, closer to open warfare.

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Comprehensive-Ad3963 t1_itvmew9 wrote

IANAL, but it seems to me that there's a simple solution:

The Dutch government could:

  1. immediately move to relax its immigration rules for Chinese immigrants.

  2. refuse to arrest anyone for violations of Chinese law

  3. recall its diplomats in China

  4. enforce domestic law on Chinese officials

  5. declare the current batch of Chinese diplomats in the Netherlands persona non grata - basically, "Get out of our country or we'll arrest you."

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Some government needs to tell China "either play nicely on the international stage, or don't play at all."

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notjoeexotic t1_itw9h3z wrote

Not surprised.

Glad to see China's bad behavior exposed.

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thefugue t1_itwdsel wrote

Replying to Ogcloud420o (#244,352)

lol- You're skeptical of a Reddit account that's been active for 13+ years but you hear claims from a Spanish NGO called "Safeguard Defenders" (who Google thinks is an "author,") and that doesn't raise any red flags for you?

Do I know that China manhandles and abuses it's people when they're overseas and behaving in ways that the government doesn't approve of? Yes I do.

Am I going to unquestioningly accept claims that they've set up clandestine police stations- an act that would impinge on a sovereign state's legal authority? No, I'm not.

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mrlolloran t1_itwikq4 wrote

Replying to thefugue (#244,557)

They are not the only people reporting on this, there have been cases of Chinese nationals/immigrants being followed by suspected Chinese officials in the US. The “police stations thing was already uncovered in Canada and now the Netherlands too.

So this is not an isolated story and backs up a pattern of behavior China has already been found out to be engaged in.

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thefugue t1_itwjrue wrote

Replying to mrlolloran (#245,119)

You just blew past everything I said and agreed with me for the most part. I'm fully aware that China's government messes with Chinese nationals in the U.S. and elsewhere.

That is a far cry from clandestine police departments, which would amount to technically invading another country. Outside of China, an authority that wants to bother someone from China is a bully, not a cop.

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Bwembo t1_itz2p3c wrote

A friend of mine is married to a Chinese girl. They said they won't ever go back because the Chinese will detain her while trying to convince her to stay in China. After hearing that, I understand why my wife's Chinese friend does not want to go back for a family visit either.

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