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[deleted] t1_iujdhge wrote

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slightly-cute-boy t1_iujekzu wrote

It's not free speech to force players to pray to a diety they may not worship. That's called forced religion

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[deleted] t1_iujenqk wrote

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SweetCosmicPope t1_iujfy28 wrote

It's implicit. He has power over them, so they can't reasonably exercise their right to consent to that prayer. It's not unlike having a relationship with your boss.

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slightly-cute-boy t1_iujhcmd wrote

Power imbalance. It's the same reason a teacher telling her class to do Islamic prayer would be forcing. They can leave if they want, but they know that if they do, they may be punished.

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[deleted] t1_iujia35 wrote

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slightly-cute-boy t1_iujlfl8 wrote

Punishment doesn’t matter. All that matters is the fear of punishment. And a coach, teacher, staff member, etc who are supposed to punish you all meet that criteria.

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[deleted] t1_iujn5nu wrote

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slightly-cute-boy t1_iujnr7w wrote

Wouldn’t matter under US law. He is in a position of power, and that is enough.

Same reason your boss cant make everyone pray.

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[deleted] t1_iujo299 wrote

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slightly-cute-boy t1_iujo9k7 wrote

Doesn’t matter. If you wanna talk about your personal morals, go to your therapist. If you want to talk about whether or not this is legal under United States law, talk to me. Under US law, he held a significant position of power over them, and that’s all that matters.

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[deleted] t1_iujp8ou wrote

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Lily_Loud_Cat t1_iujpot2 wrote

Opinionated morals, like religion, have zero place in the education system.

What is so difficult to understand about religion having no place in education?

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cremaster_shake t1_iujeo69 wrote

He was literally forcing children to listen to him pray, infringing on their civil rights. It wasn't a free speech case. He's not even a genuine Christian; he's just a right-wing agitator. The school and community are debased by his presence.

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[deleted] t1_iujerfd wrote

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rngal3 t1_iujfpmu wrote

Pray or don’t play.

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[deleted] t1_iujfz73 wrote

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rngal3 t1_iujhyyo wrote

Have you read anything about the case and the history of his behavior? You should start there.

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thefunivehad t1_iuje7f3 wrote

There are literally billions of people in poverty around the world and you’re wanting god to make this football coach’s career successful? Why would god give a singular fuck about this guy’s career?

Spoiler alert: If god existed he wouldn’t care at all.

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mtarascio t1_iujeam7 wrote

No freedom from being forced to listen?

These kids aren't afforded the right to walk away.

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[deleted] t1_iujfszz wrote

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The-Shattering-Light t1_iujilt6 wrote

Because he’s an adult with a position of power.

Do you really think student athletes that he controls whether they play or not can reasonably be presumed to be able to give consent to this?

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[deleted] t1_iujiw6u wrote

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mtarascio t1_iujj1yv wrote

They get kicked off or not prioritized in their public school sport that can get them into College.

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[deleted] t1_iujj4y7 wrote

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Lily_Loud_Cat t1_iujk5c7 wrote

Evidence?! Since when did you and the rest of your ilk start caring about evidence?

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[deleted] t1_iujkc57 wrote

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Lily_Loud_Cat t1_iujksau wrote

Just like the fables in the Bible - there is ZERO EVIDENCE to prove any of it.

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[deleted] t1_iujldef wrote

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Lily_Loud_Cat t1_iujodyk wrote

If a brown man laid out his prayer mat and practiced his Islam-based faith on the 50-yard line, five times per day, you and the rest of your ilk would be okay with that, right?

After all, he would be practicing his free speech and Constitutional Rights to practice a religion.

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mtarascio t1_iujjkun wrote

Part of the court record mate.

Or just a read a single article on the subject.

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SmokeysDrunkAlt t1_iujq9bd wrote

I got curious, and the best I could find was this USA Today article since it included the most details. Seems to be a he said/she said situation at least in the forced to pray part. I'll highlight the important parts from the article below.

On the school's side:

>They said they heard from players' parents who were concerned their children felt compelled by peer pressure to participate.

On the coach's side:

>He said he never asked and pressured anyone else to pray with him.

I could see it go either way unless there is more information from parent/player testimonies to tell us just how voluntary or pressured the sessions were.

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[deleted] t1_iujsctz wrote

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SmokeysDrunkAlt t1_iujv6e3 wrote

The only problem I would have with it is using the field in such a way that it could be perceived as school sponsored. So anything that could be seen as attempting to gain an audience for his beliefs, then the school has a right to be concerned. If he's just praying for his beliefs and offering players to join without wanting to make a big deal out of it, then I personally see that as acceptable. I really don't know one way another about the context to know which is the case here though.

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2ndtryagain t1_iujogmw wrote

Because if they did their play time could get cut, I went through the same thing in Missouri 20+ years ago but the school nipped in the bud and fired his ass.

The fact is that people that believe in god should actually want religion as far away from goverment as possible. It never ends well for when the two are mixed, when you let the Courts into your religion, you are opening a can of worms that history shows ends with death.

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[deleted] t1_iujefn8 wrote

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mtarascio t1_iujf7u8 wrote

Yep, read the articles about it.

Pretty much pray or be booted from the team.

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rngal3 t1_iujfnse wrote

Yes, that’s how it works when you’re in a position of power over children.

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