Bumpass t1_iu5djjf wrote
Reply to comment by LordFluffy in Sources: At least 6 people shot outside funeral in Pittsburgh’s Brighton Heights neighborhood by Bustalacklusta
It takes a lot more to stab someone than it does to wiggle a trigger finger and point.
Your argument is the defensive, overly-simple one, I hear everywhere.
Guns make deaths of other people too attainable for the person using it. An SUV driven by a madman isn't going to drive through classrooms full of kids. A knife can't sweep over a crowd of thousands from a hotel window and kill 60 people.
Guns may not be the only problem. But they're one of our biggest problems. It's a tool for violence. At least my knife can cut some vegetables and my SUV can drive my kids to school. A gun can't do much of anything useful other than harm other living things and people.
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jpm0724 t1_iu5gwxd wrote
You want me to link you the Franklin regional incident or do you just wanna look it up for yourself?
Bumpass t1_iu5ktij wrote
I know about it.
There have been at least 40 school shootings this year. Responsible for at least 122 deaths. How many people were stabbed to death in us schools this last year?
jpm0724 t1_iu5p4sd wrote
So shooting deaths are more relevant to you than stabbing deaths. Got it. Make sense to only care about the statistics that prove your point. Your way of arguing is divisive. Obviously there’s a need for gun reform, but you’re an absolute idiot if you think for a second that this country, of all countries, wouldn’t remain to have the same issues. You think a war on guns would be any more successful than the war on drugs? If you have that optimism, I envy it. Because the same bad people will do the same bad things with the same bad weapons.
Bumpass t1_iu5w695 wrote
No. Shooting deaths are more numerous. Therefor more relevant.
If I have a swimming pool, and the pool develops two holes - one hole loses 1000 gallons of water per day, the other loses 10 gallon per day - which hole should I patch first to minimize loss of water? The bigger hole. But I will not ignore the other hole; it's repair is triaged to a later time.
Numbers matter. But I won't call you an absolute idiot for disagreeing with that. You're concerned, just as I am. You don't sound like someone who wants people to be hurt by knives or guns. And neither am I. Bad people with illegal weapons scare me too. And I'm not optimistic. I think we're in for a lot more gut wrenching news, because there are a lot of people. And many people are overwhelmed with problems. And some of those people will process what they can't control in their lives, by finding their moment of control in an act of violence. Whether or not guns are the tool for violence.
jpm0724 t1_iu6eulu wrote
We haven’t even started with making it a felony if your weapon is used in a mass casualty event. Think about that!
jpm0724 t1_iu6c4f4 wrote
You’re analogy doesn’t make sense because it compares figurative gallons of water to literal life. It’s the absolute biggest problem, the mental gymnastic it takes to try to point at one thing and call it bad and disregard real life. Real life is, you’re willing to disregard the countless times and ways firearms have helped save lives, wether by existing, or actually being utilized. And that it’s okay to lose those lives in the future, in order to make you feel better today. Your patching a hole thought works better in this regard.
The best part is, people love to point to other countries, and say oh look! They have assault weapons bans, they have hand gun bans, complete fire arm bans, etc. they are not the MOST smuggled country in the world, they are not one of the epicenters of gang violence. They do not have one of the worst prison system and some of the highest recidivism rates. You wanna talk about bandaging the 10 gallon per day problem? Pointing at an inanimate object in one of the most mentally unhinged, corrupt countries on the planet and saying we need to ban it, is that.
LordFluffy t1_iu5gelm wrote
> It takes a lot more to stab someone than it does to wiggle a trigger finger and point.
Yeah, I'm sure your vast combat experience gave you this informed opinion.
All things being equal, a gunshot from most calibers suitable for self defense is going to be more deadly than a knife wound almost always. That said, when it comes to people doing harm to one another, things are never equal. I've seen stories, recent stories, of people killing more people with a knife than another person was able to with a rifle.
But that's just arguing tactics. It also invites the question of how firearms are used in self defense, which I don't think is an insignificant factor.
> Your argument is the defensive, overly-simple one, I hear everywhere.
No, my sarcastic statement is one part of a much larger discussion expressed in the spirit of the comment to which I was responding. Or put another way, you don't know what my argument is.
> An SUV driven by a madman isn't going to drive through classrooms full of kids.
The worst mass shooting in the US killed 60 people and wounded many times that. In Nice, France a guy killed 80 people with a truck. The worst school shooting in the US left 32 people dead. The worst school massacre in the US was carried out with explosives and killed 34, iirc.
You're arguing tactics, not absolutes.
> A knife can't sweep over a crowd of thousands from a hotel window and kill 60 people.
And of course the millionaire with his own plane could not concievably have done anything another way. If he just had knives, he'd have pitched them from the same window. Or not.
> But they're one of our biggest problems.
And again, I disagree with you. If anything, it's a symptom of the problem not the problem itself.
>A gun can't do much of anything useful other than harm other living things and people.
Yes. It's a purpose built weapon. However, sometimes that is called for. Because you can't change a tire with one does not mean that it is useless, just rarely needed.
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