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Falcon4242 t1_itmb72q wrote

Reply to comment by IrishWave in Former officer in Floyd killing pleads guilty to state charge by the-dasdardly-puppet

Problem is, was he actually their boss? I thought he just had more experience, but was still their same rank?

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CoyotesAreGreen t1_itme7ag wrote

He was the training officer for one of them I think.

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Falcon4242 t1_itmf3lx wrote

Yes, one was training the rookie, so I get that. But the other 2 were the same rank as the main guy, or am I mistaken?

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dodechadecha t1_itn2blz wrote

All the officers on the scene were the same rank. Chauvin was the most senior officer but was not a superior officer. Chauvin was one of the FTO training officers for Kueng for a period of time while he and Lane were in field training, but that was months prior to the Floyd arrest.

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BansheeGator2 t1_itn4yve wrote

The fact that Chauvin was their superior at any point in their careers creates a precedent that he would be their acting superior during this incident, especially when they are still pretty new with the dept.

If they truly did follow the chain of command on this, I wouldn't be surprised if their actual supervising officer would have responded by having them follow Chauvins orders since he was the only superior officer on site.

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BansheeGator2 t1_itoiay2 wrote

Yeah. They are just trying to have their cake and eat it too. Play military on the streets, but without any of the accountability that the military has. No requirements on rules of engagement. A simple "feared for my life" clears any cop of wrong doing, and the good ole boys network to cover shit up.

Luckily cities and states have begun implementing new laws for cops that require them to act against illegal orders. At least it's something in the right direction.

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dodechadecha t1_itn8tgs wrote

I mean, yeah, its a difficult situation to be in but they didn't follow the "chain of command". Per MPD training and policy, the first car on scene (Lane and Kueng) are in charge of it until a superior officer, like a sergeant arrives and all assisting cars defer to the first car. Now in real life, yeah that's maybe easier said than done but they should have known they were in charge of the scene.

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Odie_Odie t1_itme8p5 wrote

Superior, being pedantic derails the conversation and loses the point. A rookie is going to have a very challenging time changing the behavior of a senior officer and another officer.

A surgeon is not the "boss" of the nurses, scrubs and assistants that work under them either.

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Falcon4242 t1_itmej0u wrote

I'm speaking more about the other officers though, not the rookie. Pretty sure the lead guy was directly supervising the rookie or something. But the other 2 were the same rank, no?

This isn't a "surgeon overseeing nurses" issue, this is "multiple nurses with experience killing a patient, but saying that the one who worked longer is purely at fault". Yeah, maybe the nurse who is still being trained can argue that, but the other 2?

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Odie_Odie t1_itmf01w wrote

Oh, yeah, your right. He did say -especially- the rookie.

Yeah, I would imagine if a nurse, a nurses aid and a student smothered their patient to death, I would be disappointed if the RN and PCA weren't charged but also disappointed if the student were (assuming they were idling and not, like, being sadistic, or something)

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