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CritaCorn t1_iqylhte wrote

Probably unrelated: I remember a YouTube interview with a Navy Seal who said he would NEVER skydive again after seeing just how careless everyone was folding up their chutes and how the instructors ignore several safety checks.

He explained in the Navy you and your diving buddy check your gear, chutes, pack and reserve over and over.

Topped with my Grandfathers logic being a pilot for 40 years, “Why jump out of a perfectly good plane?”

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_iqyypvt wrote

I work as an instructor in the skydiving industry and can say with absolute confidence that the military jumpers like seals are some of the most reckless and god awfully dangerous skydivers out there. We hate when most of those idiots come around because they do the most idiotic and dangerous stuff, then act like they’re better than you.

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nascentia t1_iqz2wmk wrote

They’re also the most idiotic and dangerous on public gun ranges, anecdotally. Every time I’ve been on a public range with a vet near me, they’re SO unsafe and reckless and ignorant about firearms. It’s why I’m glad to have electronic muffs so I can hear what everyone is saying crystal-clear from six lanes down so I know when to pack up and leave.

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ComfortablyNomNom t1_iqz8ioz wrote

Ive seen our rangemaster kick out more vets than anyone else its ludicrous. One dude got thrown out and banned because he started making jokes after somebody said "Goin hot" before firing which is one of our ranges procedures. He started loudly saying "Hot??! Its kinda cold out, im not so hot, Im cold! Hyuk hyuk". The rangemaster quickly walked over told him this isnt a place for jokes and told him to kick rocks. Dude actually tried to swell up like he was gonna fight and caught a lifetime ban.

Vets of a certain age and ranges dont mix. Ive never seen any issue from anyone who served in Nam or earlier though just the younger guys.

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PotatoMurderer t1_ir1bx6e wrote

It's coz a lot of vets and military members act like they know more about gun even though they worked a desk job that will 100% never have to shoot except for recertification (which isn't really gonna do much for proper handling).

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soodeau t1_ir2kn64 wrote

Also anecdotally, but they tend to be the most idiotic and dangerous in and around bars. They don’t hold their liquor as well as they think they do.

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kaloonzu t1_ir7typ8 wrote

I'd contest the range thing, it was a military vet who took over for a guy when his gun-bunny girlfriend was flagging people up and down the line with an FS2000

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junglecritter t1_iqz7fyv wrote

30 jumps on a 260 = skygod

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DuelingPushkin t1_ir1akds wrote

Not even a 260...a 360. The military canopies are basically tandem canopies because they need to be able to handle the extra weight of all the equipment.

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wzl46 t1_ir2d6hm wrote

I used to be an instructor close to a military base with a bunch of HALO qualified dudes stationed here. They used to come to the DZ to get transition training for civilian gear. I can’t tell you how many videos of these guys I saw that literally scared me. It was way too common for them to pull their BOC pilot chute and hold on to it as if it were the rip cord on the HALO gear. Many times they would hold on until decision altitude, let go of it to grab the cutaway handle and end up chopping a canopy that was actually reaching line stretch. One of the most memorable of these videos had the AFF instructor on the jump slapping the shit out of HALO boy’s hand to try to get him to let go of the pilot chute.

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Deceased_Puppy t1_iqyopip wrote

It really depends where you go. I got my license and only did 50 jumps but always had multiple gear checks. One before getting on the plane. One before reaching altitude. Sometimes one more before the door opens.

The guys with thousands of jumps may look like they’re doing sloppy packs but really they’ve just done it so much they make it look easy. My pack jobs took 100x more effort because I sucked and my opening were rougher. I always paid $5-10 for someone else to do it if I could.

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ligmuhtaint t1_iqz9oav wrote

5 to 10 bucks seems like a small fee😅

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Deceased_Puppy t1_iqzb56l wrote

Absolutely. For someone else who has thousands of packs under their belt and it’s usually under $10. They finish in like 10 minutes what took me 45-60 minutes and they don’t break a sweat.

My instructors all flew canopies about a third of the size of the one I was renting. Since there was literally 1/3 the fabric, not only was their finished pack job tiny it also looks like they’re folding blankets.

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terminalzero t1_ir0dbze wrote

Watching a bored 15 year old flawlessly pack your canopy in 6 minutes after you took 45 is a bit of an ego blow lol

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DuelingPushkin t1_ir1c9rh wrote

It seems that way but when jump tickets are $28-30 an extra $10 increases you total expenses from jumping by 33%.

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ligmuhtaint t1_ir1chtq wrote

Ah I see. Well, I'd want the pros packing it for me, regardless. 10 bucks is great peace of mind.

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PisseArtiste t1_iqzx6su wrote

The thing with that video is that guy knows little or nothing about sport skydiving. He thinks things are careless because of the very very systematized way he was taught, which isn't how it works in the sport itself.

I don't know about your grandfather but I've never seen a perfectly good airplane myself. And when it comes to plane crash fatalities they usually involve hitting the ground so I'm good with not being around for that part!

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toolatealreadyfapped t1_ir04y8y wrote

By an insane margin, the two most dangerous parts of any flight are takeoff and landing. By skydiving, you're cutting risks in half by removing one of those dangerous parts

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scarboy92 t1_iqyw0ml wrote

Gear checks are important but the actual packing process only has a couple of key steps. I could crumple it into a ball and shove it in and it would work fine.

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jeffreythesnake t1_ir00kr9 wrote

I was in the military and even with all our checks and safety people still died, one I personally attended to who survived but was paralyzed(and eventually died due to being on a ventilator). And another who died in training after taking through his riser lines. Civilian skydiving is perfectly safe, like everything else you can be as safe as you want but accidents also happen.

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PotatoMurderer t1_ir1b40g wrote

> eventually died due to being on a ventilator

Not trying to be a dick, but he was already in really bad shape if he got put on a ventilator. If he was never taken off of it for a long period, his condition was not improving at all and has probably gotten worse over time. Highly doubt it was the ventilator that killed him, unless they massively fucked up when they were intubating him. Sadly, being on a ventilator for an extended period isn't exactly great either.

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jeffreythesnake t1_ir1jrzg wrote

No need to apologize. So I didn't mean to say that the ventilator itself somehow killed him (although it kind of did and I'll explain later). But you're correct that being paralyzed on a ventilator(in his case about 2 years) leads to chronic infections and other problems. His injury was caused during a night jump where he hit the ground and his head was pulled in either toward or away from his chest. If I had to guess I think he unexpectedly hit the ground and when his helmet hit the ground his nightvision pulled his head towards his chest. The injury resulted in a transected spinal injury around C2 or C3. I was able to intubate him there at the scene of the accident and we flew him out to a hospital. He survived and like I said before lived for roughly 2 years on the ventilator as a quadriplegic. He was constantly fighting chronic infections in his lungs and was likely going to die at some point due to those infections. What ended up happening though is that his ventilator actually malfunctioned during the night and he basically suffocated.

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PotatoMurderer t1_ir1r2se wrote

Thanks for explaining that, most people might get the wrong idea if not. Where were the nurses and RTs when it malfunctioned? That sounds like a scary experience, especially with how all the alarms going off from his vent and vitals monitors.

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jeffreythesnake t1_ir1rhb4 wrote

He was at home, his wife was taking care of him at this point. He was in and out of the hospital. Not sure on any details beyond that.

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rohobian t1_ir06bsd wrote

I went skydiving about 20 years ago at a place that doesn't do tandem jumps. Instead they teach you how to do skydiving properly, and send 2 instructors up with you, and they hold onto you while you're in free fall, one of them giving you signals to coach you through your arch position, pulling your chute for you, then landing way earlier than you and coaching you down through a radio in your helmet.

They had very strict rules, and very well defined processes that you had to demonstrate an understanding of before you could jump.

This place had an impeccable safety record. No major injuries in their history, and they had been doing this for a very long time. Just a handful of rolled ankles when people were landing... perhaps from flaring too early or something like that. The lead instructor was coming up on jump # 10,000 when I went.

I can't speak for other skydiving centres, but I very rarely hear of skydiving accidents in general. Seems like it's a lot safer than people think to me. Although I'm sure there are a few shitty places out there that aren't as safe as the place I went to.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir0arj8 wrote

In the last 10 years since I have been skydiving, the fatality rate has been cut in half. I am also a tandem and AFF instructor, and they've only increased safety and requirements.

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Matt3989 t1_ir0djoo wrote

I can assure you that I have never jumped out of a "perfectly good airplane"

I have jumped out of 50 year old shitboxes that are held together with duct tape and hope.

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feral_brick t1_ir3rtpg wrote

Probably still better than the planes military folks jump out of

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JeffSergeant t1_iqzzxdj wrote

If you’ve ever see how jump plane pilots land, you would know the answer to your grandfather’s question.

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Topsyye t1_iqylqy1 wrote

I mean I know the sport is dangerous, but it’s actually pretty fucking unlucky to get a death guaranteeing parachute malfunction right ?

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_iqyyjw5 wrote

I work in the industry, and no parachute malfunction is a guaranteed death unless you do everything exactly wrong.

From what I’ve heard personally, it was an old timer who likely deployed the parachute low, had a malfunction and delayed trying to get rid of it and use the reserve parachute until he was about 100ft above the ground. Totally self induced at that point.

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PisseArtiste t1_iqzqzs2 wrote

Extremely. Parachutes do malfunction sometimes, but the common malfunctions can be quickly remedied by Emergency Procedures all skydivers are taught thoroughly. If they can't, then the main can be "cut away", which is actually not cutting but the deliberate release of the parachute from the harness, followed by the deployment of a reserve parachute.

While most skydivers pack their own main parachutes, reserve parachutes are packed by specially trained and licensed parachute riggers and the process of packing them is much more detailed and thorough. They're also designed to deploy quickly and reliably.

Most skydiving fatalities have nothing to do with parachutes malfunctioning though. Much more commonly it is a poor decision made by the skydiver like a low turn while trying to execute a high performance landing that is the culprit. Occasionally it's a medical incident during the skydive. The odds of a double/total malfunction are astronomical.

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asdaaaaaaaa t1_ir0tflf wrote

> While most skydivers pack their own main parachutes, reserve parachutes are packed by specially trained and licensed parachute riggers and the process of packing them is much more detailed and thorough. They're also designed to deploy quickly and reliably.

Is that something where you'd basically buy a new reserve chute, sealed each time/send it back to the company to be packed and recertified upon use?

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PisseArtiste t1_ir0ujkl wrote

No, however, every time a reserve is packed it marked with the number of packs and whether it was a repack (marked with a / mark) or a deployment (or more commonly a "ride", marked with an X). A reserve parachute normally has a lifespan of 20 years or 40 repacks, after which it can be sent back to the manufacturer in some cases to be given a more detailed inspection to see if it's still airworthy which it likely is. In some countries (mostly in Europe) riggers won't pack a reserve older than twenty years, but some people in the USA will buy them cheap there and get them inspected and keep using them if airworthy.

Reserves are generally inspected and repacked every 180 days although there really isn't actually a need to do it more than once a year according to people who are far more expert than I am, however, rules usually require that 180 day repack.

Anytime you go to a new DZ you can expect to have to show the packing card and the rigger's seal on the reserve to be able to jump. At events or big DZs they'll often put one of those plastic wristbands you get at concerts and resorts in the harness main lift web so the rampers can quickly verify them as you get on the plane. The most commonly used DZ management software also can record repacks and won't let someone manifest (get on the plane) unless they're current.

Most DZs have a rigger on site who can perform the service. They normally work in what's called the Loft, which I'm told comes from the fact that they usually worked in the loft section of hangars.

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asdaaaaaaaa t1_ir0x8u0 wrote

>Anytime you go to a new DZ you can expect to have to show the packing card and the rigger's seal on the reserve to be able to jump.

Ah, okay, was wondering how they verified someone qualified packed it, makes sense.

Thanks for the info, and yeah, worked in "the loft" of a few places. Never fun on hot days, especially with a metal roof.

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EmotionalSuportPenis t1_ir3bx8q wrote

The term "loft" probably comes from the Sailmaker's Loft, since both professions handle extremely large and complex objects made out of fabric and consequently both require large, flat, open spaces.

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DuelingPushkin t1_ir19xlu wrote

No but you have to get it repacked by a FAA certified rigger who seals it with their stamp.

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sluttybulk t1_iqym8p3 wrote

Yep, pretty sure you get a backup parachute if the first malfunctions - so it’s pretty rare. Having both malfunction…well play the lottery

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SheriffComey t1_iqyvqwv wrote

>Having both malfunction…well play the lottery

Before or after the malfunction?

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10ebbor10 t1_ir07uc3 wrote

Unlikely enough that it occurring has been sufficient to convict someone of murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_Murder

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NicknameInCollege t1_ir1ywwo wrote

There was a death at this very same dropzone in 2017 that was initially thought to be accidental until his wife shared that he left her a message insinuating a suicide.

This was my primary dropzone and I knew the man who died. He used to help pickup jumpers in the field and drive the truck back in. I was very shocked by the suicide, as he was always pretty chipper when I saw him.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/video-to-wife-suggests-skydivers-death-in-deland-was-suicide-not-an/2330541/

A very renound skydiver, Carl Daugherty, also died here after a midair collision that caused a hard landing. He was my instructor and last I knew of he had over 17,000 recorded jumps. If there was one man who knew how to regain control of a parachute, it was Carl, but alas the final one proved to be impossible to overcome.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/volusia/2021/05/18/skydiving-instructor-carl-daugherty-dies-after-mid-air-accident-deland/5145686001/

This DZ has a history of notable deaths, and when you're there people will tell you that if you die you're an asshole because you'll ruin jumps for everyone else.

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RatDontPanic t1_ir0s8wg wrote

Follow the money. I'm betting he owed someone and they made an example of him.

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TheSavouryRain t1_iqyg06d wrote

"a hard landing"

I guess that's the nice way of saying it.

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Miss_Speller t1_iqytvd8 wrote

I know it sounds euphemistic, but we don't know what kind of malfunction he had. It could be that the parachute opened but fouled somehow, leading to something that could reasonably be called a 'hard landing'. That happened to my brother once; he survived but tore some muscles after a landing that was indeed hard.

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DuelingPushkin t1_iqz7f73 wrote

Not all malfunctions are complete malfunctions. Sometimes you just have an uncontrollable canopy that's diving very fast. So in those cases it's more of a bounce than a splat. So hard landing is appropriate

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lolbojack t1_iqyl51c wrote

Almost Peggy Hilled it.

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WienerDogMan t1_iqz8lop wrote

Just watched this episode again last night

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President_Calhoun t1_ir57olq wrote

My favorite part is when her emergency chute deploys as they're loading her into the ambulance.

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Head-Kiwi-9601 t1_iqyw6ph wrote

Craigslist South Florida:

Parachute for sale. Only used once. Never been opened.

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jdgsr t1_iqzdjvj wrote

You're joking but most the majority of used gear sales do take place in a Facebook group.

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MalcolmLinair t1_iqydmgm wrote

The quotes makes it sound like when people 'fall out of windows' in Russia.

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porkinz t1_iqzc2jy wrote

I dove tandem at DeLand. Really great staff. Based on the dude in the video that you watch, they basically invented modern skydiving there. I felt safe the whole time and had an amazing experience. I did see someone stall in high wind and have to make a sharp last second turn, so the sport isn't without its risks. The amount of deaths from tandem are far less than solo divers.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir0aipz wrote

In 2021 there were 3-4 million skydives made in the US and zero tandem fatalities, however there were 10 solo licensed jumper fatalities. Two old dudes having heart attacks, one suicide, one young guy super drunk, and I forget the rest.

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terminalzero t1_ir0czwc wrote

Iirc in 2021 one was an actual malfunction and the rest were swoopers etc

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir0daxo wrote

According to the USPA summary report, 3 intentional low turns (swooping or being stupid), 1 unintentional low turn, 1 landing problem, 1 incorrect EPs, 1 low cutaway, 3 medical problems. They have a powerpoint with all of the details in it of each one.

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terminalzero t1_ir0ekp1 wrote

Yup just remembered an actual mal for some reason, probably thinking of a different year

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browneyesays t1_iqzenan wrote

I grew up watching people dive here as a kid. I remember having picnics here and playing on the little carts they used to practice formations in the sky. Anyone can go over and watch them jump nearly all the time and it cost nothing. It is a fun past-time for this community. It is awful all around when things like this happen.

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raisputin t1_iqzk1oe wrote

It’s a dangerous sport, sure, but not nearly as dangerous as it’s perceived to be…

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Sidthelid66 t1_ir00y1h wrote

Sport? How do you beat someone in parachuting?

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir055tz wrote

It is considered a sport because you can compete in it. Canopy piloting, formations, etc.

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Thundercruncher t1_ir0lmaf wrote

Here's the United States Parachute Association page on competitions.

Here's an example of Arizona Airspeed, one of the top teams in the country, showing what relative work competition looks like.

Here's a video of highlights from this year's nationals in canopy piloting.

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breadexpert69 t1_iqzeag2 wrote

Sky diving, bungee jumping and cave exploring are at the very bottom of my list of adrenaline activities id consider.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir05894 wrote

Skydiving is actually probably the safest of all of those listed. It is safer than the general public believes. I work as an instructor in the industry.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir0ql9h wrote

User error like the person hooking you up?

Also, when it comes to tandem skydiving, the person on the front doesn't have much responsibility, I just ask the people strapped to me to please not grab onto me while I am keeping them safe.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir21d4o wrote

Barrier of entry? You just pay and go...that's about it.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir21r7o wrote

I have no idea what it takes to operate a bungee thing, but as a tandem instructor, you need 3 years in the sport, 500+ jumps, master parachutist license, class 3 medical physical certificate and a tandem training course bare minimum.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir23stj wrote

When I take people on tandems, we have 4 connection points, of which only 1 would be needed to survive. I check that shit like 5 times before leaving the plane, and usually once in free fall just in case...not sure how someone forgets. And yet you have people like this that forget to hook up their passenger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLBJA8SlH2w

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justin_quinnn t1_ir2ni1b wrote

My God, did you have to reply in every thread?

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir2o3k3 wrote

My god, you don’t have to read them if you don’t want. If I’ve said something incorrect, lemme know. Otherwise, I’m just some guy commenting with a reputable background to enlighten the masses.

Edit: I see you deleted your comment.

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justin_quinnn t1_ir2ojzv wrote

My God, you can claim you're an astronaut for all I care, you haven't actually done anything to prove you are what you say you are, and if I were to not read your incessant comments repeating the same thing over and over again, I'd be unable to read everyone's comments that aren't yours. Have a stadium of seats, this isn't your classroom.

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Ares1935 t1_iqylbpa wrote

are these actual parachute malfunctions or is this a euphemism for suicide?

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DuelingPushkin t1_iqz7iel wrote

There are actual malfunctions that can result in death if not addressed properly.

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atomicxblue t1_ir2v6tw wrote

Yet one more sign that I need to stay safely inside of a plane.

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FloridaCelticFC t1_ir3jl3t wrote

I didn't even have to look. Its always DeLand.

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xspook_reddit t1_ir08q6e wrote

I knew it was DeLand before even reading the article. They're notorious for deaths.

https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/2015/04/11/skydive-deland-has-more-jumps-more-deaths/30711803007/

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir0aw6g wrote

They have A LOT of people that jump there from all over the world, so you get a mixed bag of skill levels. I would explicitly state it is their fault. That article is also from 7 years ago, and the chick they mention being an expert literally ran into someone else with her parachute.

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MisterxRager t1_ir0hfly wrote

yeah this will do it, i'm never sky diving.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir1zo7c wrote

This was a solo licensed jumper who made a bunch of bad decisions, not tandem which you would be doing. Tandem skydiving is far safer than the general public is willing to accept, and something I actually do (I work as an instructor). I can tell you most of the media surrounding skydiving accidents is factually incorrect, as is the public's understanding of the safety involved in the sport. Go on a tandem skydive, have fun, and feel free to ask any questions. Ive got about 3700 jumps as of now.

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grim_f t1_ir0ivvv wrote

Wouldn't happen to be one of Putin's buddies on a quick vacation?

"Sergei, it's Vladdy, cut the ropes."

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90daylimitedwarranty t1_ir1qrma wrote

I mean, the fact that the words "Parachute malfunction" exist is why I don't ever go parachuting.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir1zfoo wrote

There are two parachutes of different designs. Skydiving is actually pretty safe, especially tandem skydiving of which I am an instructor for. Generally what you hear in the media about the sport or incidents is incorrect, and it appears this jumper was an old timer over 70 years old who delayed cutting away his bad parachute and using the reserve parachute until it was too late. Cognitive abilities and reaction time are lower in older people.

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Nigredo78 t1_ir26hal wrote

Learn to Pack your Chute like a Rigger.. or Burn in.. Unfortunate.

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alexefi t1_iqyun2j wrote

If first time didnt work out may be skydiving isnt for you.

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bohanmyl t1_iqzqwah wrote

Damn someone just died in NE recently too

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Buck-Nasty t1_ir04xtf wrote

Seems to happen every week

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Amster_damnit_23 t1_ir07pqz wrote

That’s categorically false. Ten people died last year, out of more than 4 million jumps made. There are tons of sports and activities that are far more dangerous than skydiving. This is a rare occurrence. We don’t have all the details, so I won’t speculate on what dude did wrong, but fatalities in the sport are absolutely not a weekly occurrence.

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Buck-Nasty t1_ir084hu wrote

I think there's been six this year just around Ottawa and Toronto, maybe a freak year.

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Amster_damnit_23 t1_ir08jqq wrote

True fatalities? That surprises me. Especially given that (anecdotally) Canadian skydiving is stricter than USPA when it comes to safety. Not Canadian, but I’ve jumped in Gananoque, Montreal, and Quebec City. I was always impressed with how they ran their shit.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir0b1vl wrote

Nope, that is incorrect. You might have a cluster of accidents, especially in the warmer months, and especially in Canada where the majority of skydiving centers shut down during the winter. I know of the IG.Tiktok influencer chick that died doing it up in Canada, but she made some really, really dumb decisions with her parachute to end up in a fatality.

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katarjin t1_ir0b8l6 wrote

Gave me a bit of a heart attack seeing that my mom skydives down there. Sucks to see.

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gogoguy5678 t1_iqzrmkr wrote

We have brains, that we used to allow ourselves to fly. And we do have wings, metal wings that we invented.

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Sidthelid66 t1_ir014gp wrote

Also if humans were meant to live in Florida, we would have gills.

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Squirrel_28 t1_ir1644x wrote

Wingsuit won't help you (most base jumping fatalities are in wingsuits).

Also you don't need second reserve. Tandem fatalities are almost absolutely not existent. You have bigger chance dying from going downstairs than from this. Go for it and have fun.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir1ztac wrote

It is required to have a reserve parachute, and a wingsuit is more likely to cause you issues, especially if you have no idea how to fly it...you still need a parachute with a wingsuit anyways. I fly wingsuits occasionally and work as a tandem instructor so feel free to ask any questions.

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highpriestess420 t1_iqzhj5t wrote

Well shit my hubs and I just scheduled sky diving for our birthdays next week heh. Knock on all the wood I guess.

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JustAnotherDude1990 t1_ir05b4j wrote

I work as a skydiving instructor, and I can tell you that skydiving is far safer than the general public is willing to accept, especially tandem skydiving. Feel free to ask questions, but this was a solo (not tandem) jumper making a series of bad decisions.

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mtnsoccerguy t1_iqyluhe wrote

Sure hope they got that life insurance some of those companies offer before the jump.

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Suspicious-Dark-5950 t1_iqynibm wrote

People often think that when someone falls from a great height, they just land on the ground and are dead. Like in the movies.

Ever dropped a water balloon from any kind of height?

That's closer to the truth. We burst like a human shaped balloon, organs and blood and body parts and viscera splattering out from the point of impact. Collecting their bodies takes a lot of time, and a hose or mop.

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Denotsyek t1_iqyoct0 wrote

... so to summarize. They just hit the ground and are dead.

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Jbow89 t1_iqzc39x wrote

Yeah but unlike in movies they die in real life.

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ModestMogote t1_iqzhnth wrote

Where did you get this? Every time this happened it´s just an intact looking body with major internal bleeding... Source: every news report ever made about fatalities with a parachute malfunction

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