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mysticalfruit t1_itilh65 wrote

Reply to comment by passinghere in Russia's defense chief warns of 'dirty bomb' provocation by letschangethename

Remember, this isn't about Russia gaining territory.

Ukraine just wouldn't roll over and give up 30% of their land, so Russia is now going to show the world what happens to border countries that don't capitulate to their demands.

This is what happens when you've got an autocratic dictator in charge, there is no path to deescalation.

Putin is losing this war and as hard has he's tried to hide it, he can't. Few dictators survive failed wars, so he now needs to seriously amp up the situation.

He'll set off a dirty bomb, claim it was the Ukrainians and use that as an excuse to use tactical nukes on all their infrastructure.

We had to nuke their power plants, how else could we prevent them from setting off more bombs.

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passinghere t1_itimg4u wrote

This is fully what I'm expecting, especially from a dictator that's got a known history of using false flag attacks to benefit himself IIRC didn't he get in to power by killing a load of Russians with a bomb?

Not to forget the false flag attacks just before the Ukraine invasion, such as the Russian truck and the building (both miraculously empty) that had explosions in / beside them before he finally started the "special operations"

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DavidHewlett t1_itk52lq wrote

His FSB buddies were caught planting bombs in apartment buildings after several identical devices already exploded and killed many.

Russians responded by making him dictator for life and destroying Grozny.

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passinghere t1_itkmdgr wrote

Thought it was something like that, cheers for the info... Fucked up and a clear case of what to expect from dictator Putin

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DavidHewlett t1_itko63t wrote

My memories were a bit vague so I looked it up again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

307 deaths, 1000+ injured ...

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passinghere t1_itkp7oa wrote

> Independent investigations have faced obstruction from the Russian government.

Says it all really. Cannot have daddy Putin being officially blamed and the facts being known.

Clearly shows that the lives of others have never meant anything other than a means to power for him.

Plus that number of deaths was just the start of the amount slaughtered during the air bombing of Grozny and the Second Chechen War, he's nothing other than a sick mass murderer all for his own benefit

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crystal-crawler t1_itizj2b wrote

Which is ridiculous because then how useful is a nuked Ukraine?

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fullup72 t1_itjibq2 wrote

It's useful for whenever he wants to start another special military operation on the next country.

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Peanut_007 t1_itjjtbk wrote

Even if he somehow pulls out a win, which seems pretty damn unlikely at this point, then he's just going to end up with the insurgency from hell immediately after. The Ukranians are a country of 40 million people, mostly indistinguishable from ethnic Russians on sight, have close to a million trained and heavily armed soldiers, a substantial chunk of them speak fluent Russian, and they share a border with Poland.

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gechu t1_itjzvyd wrote

"If I can't have it, nobody else will."

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BoltgunOnHisHip t1_itlbbqi wrote

You don't use tactical nukes on infrastructure. He'll use them on troop concentrations, especially if they try to retake Crimea. The only access to the peninsula is a tiny choke point, and Ukraine would have to mass its troops there since going in piecemeal would result in the Russians cutting them apart piecemeal, and despite the Russian navy's poor performance, Ukraine doesn't have the ability to mount a naval invasion.

Attacks on infrastructure (theoretically) employ full scale weapons. You want to make it as hard as possible to repair if you hit that point, and there's no reason to hold back.

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mysticalfruit t1_itlcy9o wrote

Or just let Crimea sit cut off. Make it a liability for Russia. Let the Russian navy engage in a resupply mission while getting harassed.

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BoltgunOnHisHip t1_itldl2y wrote

There's 2.5 million people on the peninsula. Putting them into a siege situation as their ostensible liberators probably wouldn't play well.

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mysticalfruit t1_itly7ta wrote

That is true. Honestly, I have expect Russia to bomb Crimea and blame Ukraine.

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BoltgunOnHisHip t1_itm0c0r wrote

The trick here is that the civilian population of Crimea is largely culturally Russian. Not that I think that gives Russian any special claim to the place, but it does make the civilians there (seemingly) more compliant. If Russia starts blasting them with cruise missiles and shit that could change really quickly.

So currently Crimea's in this kind of limbo where the status quo is unlikely to change.

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mysticalfruit t1_itm0xr6 wrote

Russia hasn't ever demonstrated that it gives a particular fuck about Russians.

If putin could use Crimea in a way to Ukraine, ever at a high civilian cost, he'd do it in a nanosecond.

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S3guy t1_itvzo52 wrote

Meh, most of those that stayed are traitors and openly support the Russians. Let them suffer the consequences of their shitty decisions. If Ukraine takes it back, give em a choice between working in prison camps or departing for russia forever.

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flatline000 t1_itl093k wrote

>so Russia is now going to show the world what happens to border countries that don't capitulate to their demands.

I guess that's what Russia is thinking, but the rest of the world is watching Russia get its butt kicked by NATO's hand-me-down weapon systems and reading reports on how Russia's economy is getting crushed by sanctions...what will Russia even look like in 10 years because of this war?

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mysticalfruit t1_itl3a46 wrote

Honestly, probably the shrinking of Russia.

I can see lots of border regions saying, "why do we want to be tied to this clown and becoming breakaways.

Russia's military completely decimated unable to stop them.

Moreover those regions asking for and getting military aid from us.

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