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Longwalk4AShortdrink t1_its0hvj wrote

Amnesty is trying so hard to get something to stick to Israel after their report claiming aparthied flopped and was largely rejected by several UN powers

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DarkSoulfromDS t1_itvufr1 wrote

True, just like how ignorant people try to antagonise China by claiming that the perfectly legitimate detention camps against terrorists are somehow genocide

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DarkSoulfromDS t1_itvwsvp wrote

Where’s the falce equivalency? The council that has members that can literally veto anything that goes against their interests (as Russia is doing right now too by blocking any motion of genocide or abuses against Ukrainian citizens ) is of course the single most reliable source on international politics as nobody has any agenda and truth always prevails

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Longwalk4AShortdrink t1_iu12498 wrote

You must have missed the part where SEVERAL countries rejected the Amnesty report (mostly western countries like the UK, Japan, Canada, Germany, etc.).

I also don't see how UN policy has anything to do with various countries leadership rejecting a biased report by an NGO

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Rondeyvuew t1_itpdfzy wrote

Silent is such a strong, inaccurate word.

"Russia began an all-out invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, carrying out extensive military operations marked by war crimes and other violations of international humanitarian law."

From

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/ukraine/

Also

https://www.amnesty.ie/ukraine-russia-attack-kyiv/

And

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/latest-news-on-russias-war-on-ukraine/

And more if you care to look.

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Lou_C_Fer t1_itpflwd wrote

Shhhhhh... if he hasn't seen it, they obviously haven't done it.

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[deleted] t1_its1j73 wrote

They only care about Israel and ignore the rest of the world

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Longwalk4AShortdrink t1_itrzkua wrote

What genocide?

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[deleted] t1_its4tpi wrote

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Longwalk4AShortdrink t1_its9dwy wrote

I get that Palestinian children are dying, I'm just not seeing how you made the jump from collateral damage to genocide

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Longwalk4AShortdrink t1_itsben0 wrote

I agree that they're targeted, but I think you and I are not seeing eye-to-eye on the targets (since I count extremist Palestinian militants as a legitimate target).

Tell you what, let's prove genocide using something less open to interpretation: whats the Palestinian population compared to 10 years ago?

Edit: I think it's safe to say that based off your silence, you've seen how problematic the claim of Genocide is

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DarkSoulfromDS t1_itvus8e wrote

Almost as bad as people who say the Native American genocide actually happened, we westerners civilised them and their numbers keep going up

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Longwalk4AShortdrink t1_itvw33k wrote

I'm assuming youre being sarcastic... Having a hard time telling because your false-equivalency attempt is loud af

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DarkSoulfromDS t1_itvwhs9 wrote

Because the Native American population has been steadily growing since the settlers arrived there’s no way that any genocide can have happened, and anytime that treaties were violated and the settlers moved into native land it was perfectly legitimate

Same thing goes for the Irish too btw

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Longwalk4AShortdrink t1_iu11p6b wrote

I think the key distinction between your examples and mine is you're looking at population growth AFTER an established genocide. The above claim is stating that genocide is currently happening and has been happening for 60 years. There's the equivalency issue.

The evidence just does not support that claim at all

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[deleted] t1_its135z wrote

That isn't genocide

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[deleted] t1_its513w wrote

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[deleted] t1_its5vht wrote

Yet the population only goes up and there's no mass extermination. It's a bone headed comparison

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[deleted] t1_its6c8i wrote

No they don't. Germans killed millions of Jews in just a few years while the Palestinian population has only grown in 70 years.

If Israel used the same tactics as Nazi Germany there would be no Arabs there

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MyBallsAreOnFir3 t1_its97ua wrote

Systematic destruction of an ethnic group and its culture falls right under the definition if genocide. Also, Israel is a terrorist state.

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[deleted] t1_itwyzqj wrote

What is a terrorist state? A terrorist is a non state actor so that's pretty much an oxymoron.

Genocide requires mass death and destruction of a people, it's in the word

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Super_Fudge_1821 t1_itr9d9r wrote

No probs needed. All occurred in broad day light in front of the international community. Israel is a war criminal.

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Snowdeo720 t1_itpcsra wrote

Amnesty has dramatically harmed their own reputation by staying basically silent on Russian atrocities carried out in Ukraine.

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nedTheInbredMule t1_itpe3ls wrote

Whataboutism - the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.

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[deleted] t1_its1el2 wrote

Whataboutism - the technique of brushing off criticism when inconvenient examples are brought up

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Snowdeo720 t1_itped9a wrote

Not at all what I’m doing.

I’m criticizing the validity of amnesty international because they are trying to pick and chose what war crimes to call out.

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TG1191 t1_itpqsre wrote

And once again you're proven wrong if you take a look at the reply from u/skitskat7 .

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jugonewild t1_itpvi81 wrote

For those of you who think the ukraine hasn't committed war crimes, msg me.

I have videos of them killing POWs, torturing prisoners, attacking civilians, targeting civilian areas, firing from civilian areas using them as cover, etc.

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Mist_Rising t1_itqruux wrote

>ukraine

Almost certainly didn't have anything to do with Gaza. Ukraine is in northeast Europe, Gaza is in southwestern asia. They're not really close and Ukraine got some..oh how do I say this, more pressing issues?

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