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everythingunder1USD t1_jdwa27p wrote

Reply to comment by klaaptrap in Israeli union calls general strike as opposition to Netanyahu plan mounts by mobileagnes

I'm talking about shutting down the economy by simply not going to work. Done on a mass scale you have a lot of power. And no one can shoot you. Protests can be done in a lot of ways. I thought maybe people would organize like this when Roe v. Wade was overturned.

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starmartyr t1_jdwkgy7 wrote

It's not reasonable to expect people to strike without a union. If I refuse to go to work and my coworkers show up, all that happens is that I get fired. You need an organization to get everyone to agree not to show up.

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everythingunder1USD t1_jdwmhim wrote

If a grassroots movement has been set up when Roe vs.wade was overturned I'm pretty sure people could have organized using social media. Doesn't have to be working class union people, Could be lawyers, tech folks, etc . I hear a lot of excuses but no action. If you won't take a risk you won't make change.

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dak4f2 t1_jdwnw0h wrote

I suggested this after Roe v Wade and women, women!, were furious at me for suggesting a strike.

Copying my comment from above

>All I hear from other Americans when I suggest a general strike, such as after Roe v Wade was overturned, is anger at me for being so entitled so as to 'be able' to not work. They have to make ends meet, they say it's a ridiculous idea and a general strike is only for the privileged who can afford it. They can't think long term to see past their nose, they're in survival and are not in unions that will back them up.

>It's infuriating. The apathy and settling and acceptance is baffling.

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tkp14 t1_jdyfmxc wrote

What you need to understand is that we Americans are raised in a tsunami of propaganda. It’s pounded into us from birth onwards. And you can see it when people who should know better start parroting the words of their overlords. That’s what was driving the anger of people who responded to you. Realizing that you’ve been lied to and manipulated your entire life is a bitter pill to swallow. “We’re the greatest country on earth!” “Our health care system is the best!” “We are so lucky to be Americans!” “Anyone can achieve the American dream!” It’s all bullshit and we really, really need to face that.

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dak4f2 t1_jdyjvhn wrote

I was born and raised in the rural midwest with a crap ton of that propaganda, and live on the west coast now. Am American too fwiw.

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harley247 t1_je0wfde wrote

Problem is that people still have to make ends meet somehow. Some can't just miss work like that which is why some of your coworkers will still show up to work. Just not showing up to work sounds fine until you realize that the company you work for has a lot more money than you and can replace you, even lawyers, tech workers, etc. It just becomes a war of who runs out of money first. Not sure if this is all unions, but the ones I've been in give the worker a stipend for striking. This is why people will not just strike like that without something to fall back on. This is what business owners and corporations created. They want everyone to work paycheck to paycheck without the backing of a union so they can't afford to miss work.

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CarltonFrater t1_jdwc71x wrote

Do you think republicans and conservatives would buy into that? Lol

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dak4f2 t1_jdwnny3 wrote

All I hear from other Americans when I suggest a general strike, such as after Roe v Wade was overturned, is anger at me for being so entitled so as to 'be able' to not work. They have to make ends meet, they say it's a ridiculous idea and a general strike is only for the privileged who can afford it. They can't think long term to see past their nose, they're in survival and are not in unions that will back them up.

It's infuriating. The apathy and settling and acceptance is baffling.

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Fenix42 t1_jdy03uv wrote

I could not afford to lose a days pay until I was in my 30s. Not like, "I dont buy starbucks for a bit" but "we might have to skip some meals," or I am going to have a bunch of late fees. I was usually kiting checks at least a few times a monemths back then.

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Epicbaconsir t1_jdwitss wrote

That’s not going to spontaneously happen without mass union organization and militancy

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