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houtex727 t1_je68exh wrote

Replying to houtex727 (#2,456,033)

Separate reply because don't want to taint that hopefully helpful video for y'all.

Yeah. I get their jobs are tough (Edit: see below), being as I have ridden along with my BIL police officer, and my brother's tales of his police work, but respect of suspects needs to be a thing, no matter how pissed off you are. What's worse is I can't know if this is taught to be this brutal and awful to others, or if they are just off the hinge and shouldn't have been police officers in the first place.

Edit: So the thing was more pointing to the fact that the tough jobs they do (and it is, do not think otherwise) causes stresses, and therefore anger, and therefore anger management issues, and therefore raging beatings and such ensue. Potentially, because it could be they are just assholes looking for a job that lets them be the true assholes they are. But anyway, the former was all I meant. That they were allowing rage to control them and that's wrong, obviously. Beyond that, shitting on my poor choice of words and assuming something else it pretty bad form, but that's reddit for you. Buncha Conan the Grammarians about, y'all need a new hobby. :p

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AudibleNod OP t1_je690kf wrote

FOP:

The Fraternal Order of Police / Ohio Labor Council, the largest law enforcement labor organization in the state, said in a statement Thursday the 11 officers “are entitled to due process like all citizens” and encouraged “everyone to reserve judgment until facts are known.”

Also FOP:

he defended the mob of largely white Trump supporters and white supremacists who stormed the U.S. Capitol, saying they are “entitled to voice their frustration.

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I guess the question is are citizens allowed to voice their frustration against the bad police officers are are we supposed to reserve judgement?

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SsurebreC t1_je692e2 wrote

Replying to houtex727 (#2,456,148)

> I get their jobs are tough

Let's say someone is working as a nurse or a care-giver and they beat up their patients. Not all of them but a certain amount. Say 5%. Should that person still be employed in that capacity? No. Should they be charged with abuse? Yes.

It's just that simple.

And the solution to this is also simple. Get mandatory malpractice insurance for the police like they have for those same nurses and surgeons. This insurance is what's used to pay out all the lawsuits that will be filed. A shitty police officer will have higher premiums and will ultimately be out of a job anywhere in the country rather than being protected now or moving to another department whlie keeping their job.

If police officers believe they're the military and it's them vs. civilians then they should then be required to follow the rules of engagements that actual soldiers do (and the related code of conduct) which is significantly harsher than what the police have now.

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InflamedLiver t1_je6993e wrote

At least they’re taking action. I feel like a few decades ago this stuff just got brushed under the rug. I mean, it still does, but it’s still a good start.

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AudibleNod OP t1_je6afd9 wrote

Replying to InflamedLiver (#2,456,308)

I'll agree.

This is forward motion. Like with the Memphis case. Once the precedent gets set, there's going to be an expectation from the public that the police rightfully and swiftly get punished for committing crimes. And once we get convictions and serious jail time, the police unions are going to gut check their membership. Sadly, this is a slow process. There's around 18,000 police departments in the US. Each with their own little fiefdom and unique relationship with the DA's office/state.

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JcbAzPx t1_je6c5vi wrote

Replying to AudibleNod (#2,456,261)

> he defended the mob of largely white Trump supporters and white supremacists who stormed the U.S. Capitol, saying they are “entitled to voice their frustration.

This is especially interesting considering part of that "voiced frustration" was beating a cop with a thin blue line flag pole.

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Xszit t1_je6cmjy wrote

> Eleven current and former East Cleveland Police Department officers indicted earlier this month participated in “appalling” behavior and face charges including assault, dereliction of duty and interfering with civil rights, authorities in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, said after they released video showing several incidents. Seven are facing charges for the first time, while four others were indicted on new charges, authorities announced.

> Ten of the 11 officers pleaded not guilty to the charges at an arraignment March 28, according to court records. The arraignment for the 11th officer, who resigned from the department, was rescheduled for April 4, according to the court docket. The new indictments raise the number of former or current East Cleveland police officers who have been indicted in the past seven months to 16, Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Michael C. O’Malley said in early March.

> “Make no mistake, there has been a cancer growing in the East Cleveland Police Department,” O’Malley said. “We are doing our best to remove every tentacle of that cancer so that this department can rebuild and grow to put itself in a position to hire officers who enforce the law as well as follow the law.” O’Malley showed several videos of the 11 officers participating in behavior he called “appalling.” CNN has reached out to the Cuyahoga County prosecutor’s office for the original footage of the alleged incidents in question.

> The 11 new indictments stem from incidents between February 2020 and July 2022, authorities said. “In the next couple of weeks, we will be issuing a release detailing the 11 incidents with additional videos,” O’Malley said.

> East Cleveland’s recently appointed chief of police, Brian Gerhard, said the indictments will not prevent the department from functioning and protecting citizens. “I have cooperated fully with the county prosecutor’s office and will continue to do so,” Gerhard stated in a news release. “As I stated when appointed chief last October, I will move the department in a positive direction, I have very good personnel on my staff that will assist me rebuilding the agency.” CNN has reached out to the 11 current and former officers for comment.

> The Fraternal Order of Police / Ohio Labor Council, the largest law enforcement labor organization in the state, said in a statement Thursday the 11 officers “are entitled to due process like all citizens” and encouraged “everyone to reserve judgment until facts are known.”

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Matty_Poppinz t1_je6his2 wrote

I'm sure some more paid vacations and promotions will fix the problem this time....

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DarthBluntSaber t1_je6l8fd wrote

Replying to SsurebreC (#2,456,276)

Police forces seem to be trained more and more to view the communities they are supposed to PROTECT as if they the police are in some foreign land and they are their to keep the locals in line and like every citizen is a potential enemy.

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janethefish t1_je6nmh2 wrote

Replying to InflamedLiver (#2,456,308)

Yup. The important thing is that the crooks are held accountable. It will take a long time to clean up police and even then we will still have crooked cops. The key is that the crooks are banished from the police force and prosecuted.

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mayormcskeeze t1_je6pwtd wrote

I hope the local prosecutor is serious.

In many cases, they're not, and they complete support the police behind closed doors.

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Philo_T_Farnsworth t1_je6py0c wrote

Replying to SsurebreC (#2,456,276)

It's interesting you use this example because I personally know someone who was convicted of a felony for assaulting a nursing home resident in their capacity as a caregiver. Evidently an old person got combative, things escalated, and it got physical. It was an open and shut case. That patient's senility cannot be seen as an excuse for what happened. A cop doing this should be subject to the very same justice.

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Ok-Hunt6574 t1_je6t5t5 wrote

Replying to houtex727 (#2,456,148)

It's taught. It's the culture and history of police. When the elites need to put down the peasants they use the police. When they needed workers for the fields, they used police, when they wanted to criminalize sexual behavior, they used the police, lynch minorities, police, see the pattern?

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SsurebreC t1_je6topo wrote

Replying to Philo_T_Farnsworth (#2,459,679)

Exactly. I used my example because you can lose your cool trying to take care of someone. Caretaker fatigue is real and who suffers more than people whose entire jobs are doing that. But those people are still held to higher standards. Police officers should be held to even higher standards because they also have the power to end lives just because they lose their cool. So let's start with the same high standards to start and go from there.

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gwxtreize t1_je6uo82 wrote

Replying to supercyberlurker (#2,458,979)

Imagine, had a guy not been testing his new camcorder, the L.A. race riots may not have happened at that time and Rodney King's abusers would not have even been charged (I believe they were each acquitted but being charged was a baby step in the right direction).

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Joe-Schmeaux t1_je6wq9j wrote

Replying to supercyberlurker (#2,458,979)

I believe we are just witnessing more of what has been going on the entire time. It was likely much worse before, too: now they know there is at least some likelihood of there being video evidence of their crimes.

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CAPSLOCKCHAMP t1_je70f3m wrote

Replying to houtex727 (#2,456,033)

Police union says there is a perfectly good reason they don’t see an issue with a video of cops beating the shit out of a guy lying down with his arms behind his head: they are elected by some seriously entitled people

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asdaaaaaaaa t1_je7dy66 wrote

Replying to be_steve_it_or_not (#2,463,040)

Some? Unless I see entire departments standing up to denounce the actions of other officers doing shit like this, it's firmly all in my opinion. If someone I know did something like this, I would make it as clear as possible I am not affiliated with or support them. Or you know, a large part of my industry in this case.

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WWA1232 t1_je7eut2 wrote

American Cops, what do you expect?

#FuckThePolice

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Turantula_Fur_Coat t1_je7prql wrote

Every single one should get life in prison. They betray your trust. That’s what prison is for, we send individuals who are a danger to society to prison. These pieces of trash deserve a loooong prison sentence.

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jaybleeze t1_je7qorp wrote

Idk. They always let me through courthouse security without any issues and use the bathrooms so they’re good in my book. /s

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Leftstranded t1_je7rrkf wrote

I live very close to East Cleveland and this is no surprise. There’s a reason why we are told to drive around the city and to not enter unless there is no other way.

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PF4LFE t1_je7vdwz wrote

Just another day Piggin - look - these people are around dirtbags everyday - how do they not become dirtbags?

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knucklesandwich86 t1_je7w8o8 wrote

If you haven’t listened to Season 3 of the Serial podcast, where they spend a year in the Cleveland criminal justice system, you really should. From top to bottom it explains the historical bias and culture that plagues our system.

Sara Koenig (sp?) is a national treasure and her ability to explain the nuance and complexities of the criminal justice system in a way that is both easy to understand and relatable is quite frankly a work of pure art. In terms of practical knowledge, it was one of the most educational pieces I’ve ever listened to. I’d recommend everyone take a listen if you haven’t.

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Its_Nitsua t1_je824dj wrote

Replying to ADarwinAward (#2,458,291)

That’s a southern thing, not saying the dude isn’t racist but old heads call people ‘boy’ all the time I don’t think its an indication of their racial beliefs.

Also you don’t have to be white to exhibit the disrespect and inhumanity that many cops do, just a couple months ago we had 5 black cops literally jump another black man gang style to the point that he died.

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crazybehind t1_je83jot wrote

Yay! They're facing prosecution.

Boo! Their colleagues should have turned them in LONG ago. And THAT is the fucking problem.

I cannot believe that this is the first time they've been dealing out beat downs like this. Everyone in that video is WAY too comfortable with this situation. Mother fuckers need to be in jail along with anyone who didn't report on them.

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crazybehind t1_je84g0w wrote

Replying to InflamedLiver (#2,456,308)

All police calls should get automatic review of camera footage, BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE POLICE. Hell, let AI chew through the bulk of it to make a highlight reel for human review.

Someone needs to police the police because they are shit at doing it themselves... at least in this city.

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GristleMcTough t1_je84h9b wrote

Der-hhr-hhr. I’m big and strong and I enjoy hurting other humans. Fist bump, bro. We are our own biggest fans.

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crazybehind t1_je85l9k wrote

Replying to PF4LFE (#2,468,736)

Don't fucking care to make any excuses for this. Their job is to enforce laws, not exactly the opposite of that.

Oversight. Internal affairs. Body cams. Peer integrity. Their own fucking morals. Department leadership. THAT'S how they're supposed to not become dirtbags.

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ADarwinAward t1_je8ce28 wrote

Replying to Its_Nitsua (#2,470,231)

You cannot possibly be that ignorant to think that it’s ok to call a black man in the south “boy.” Are you serious?

My southern father taught me that saying that was racist by the age of 5 or 6. I refuse to believe anyone living in the south is this uninformed and naive.

Just plain old gaslighting.

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Chance-Ad-9103 t1_je8hjsu wrote

Replying to girlfreddyf (#2,457,307)

Hierarchy is very important to a large subset of the population. It’s not what someone does, it’s who that person is that matters. These are police officers and that is enough to make there actions justified in the minds of maybe 40% of our country. Goes just the same for clergy, the wealthy, the military. This is how you can have a dyed in the wool small government conservative 100% pro police and military the two largest most active and shall we say hands on government organizations. It’s ridiculous.

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NoPhilosopher6636 t1_je8i2fc wrote

It’s so ironic that if they were black officers. The whole lineup of there photos would be shown

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armyshawn t1_je8kx3a wrote

Looks like Cleveland area suburban PD’s about to get some new officers.

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AntoniusPoe t1_je8lkh9 wrote

Replying to houtex727 (#2,456,148)

I have every belief that this behavior is taught. Some, perhaps many, are drawn to this type of job for the power. But I have no doubt that the training drills in the "us vs them" and the "DO WHAT I SAY" mentality. The fact that they all believe that chanting "stop resisting" protects them like a shield while they beat and kick those who are down and subdued tells me that they are trained like this. Maybe I'm wrong. But I doubt it.

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EnvironmentalValue18 t1_je8nt3d wrote

Replying to houtex727 (#2,456,033)

Holy shit… we all see police brutality but that was really awful to watch. Hitting people with a car and then tasing and jostling them about after an obvious head injury is very clearly attempted murder. I can’t even believe, with the prevalence of guns, more that act out like this don’t run into the wrong people at the wrong time.

These people should not only be thrown in jail, they should be stripped of the right to ever own a gun period. They’re not even human at that point and they’re a danger to the society they’re supposed to protect. Oh wait actually, SCOTUS ruled that they did not even have to protect so they just… serve? What are they serving? And why are there IQ ceilings (besides the bullshit retention excuse)? Why do we keep paying for their fucking assaults on our fellow citizens and human beings with our fucking tax dollars when they lose cases? We don’t bail out doctors who fuck up - they have malpractice insurance for that.

We’ve seen time and time again that they want the lowest dregs of society who just want to take out their aggression on others. These people don’t belong in society at all, they belong behind bars (at best…). Criminals with fucking badges and a license to kill is all these pathetic shit stains are.

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thephantom1492 t1_je8p2bl wrote

Replying to supercyberlurker (#2,458,979)

We are more aware AND things changed too. We do not tolerate the abuse anymore like we did 40 years ago.

Also, global news. Before interet, news was way more local. Most news were from the city, some from the state and few from the country. International news were almost non-existant. So only the big things came out. A bad officer was not a big thing.

Now, with internet, you know about everything all around the world, in a matter of seconds!

Now we start to see some patterns. One bad officer here, another there, yet another, oh and 5 here, 6 there and so on. Now it is not a single officer in your news area, but lots of international ones. Now it's a big things.

And, also, 9/11. News on TV got a longer segment. Pre-9/11 it was 30 minutes here. Now it's 1 hour. They now have time for the less big things that happened everywhere. In fact, they have no choice in some way than talk about it, they need to fill the time they have or else they just repeat themself! Remember, most of the year there is not even enough local material to fill 15 minutes of news. Now they have to do 60!

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bttrflyr t1_je8pn9w wrote

Ironic that the police union is demanding just treatment and due process for their officers when their officers refused to do the same for others. They should be treated the way they treated others.

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Milfoy t1_je8qyx2 wrote

Replying to SsurebreC (#2,456,276)

If you think police unions are dreadful, just wait until you try and get a payout from a police insurance company!

Insurance is such an American solution to this problem. How about

  • better hiring and training.
  • mandatory bodycams subject to random checks as well as use as evidence.
  • National register of officers and their records
  • No ability to duck investigations by resigning and moving elsewhere.
  • Payouts come directly from the police budget.
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Azul951 t1_je93uy5 wrote

These must be the good apples.

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hevnztrash t1_je9af2f wrote

Corrupt and racist cops being held accountable is the only way to gain the public’s trust.

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chepe82 t1_je9cth3 wrote

This is what happens when the starting pay for east CLE police is ~$19/hr to patrol one of the most dangerous areas of the city. You obviously don’t get the best officers.

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EnvironmentalValue18 t1_je9g678 wrote

Replying to Xszit (#2,456,978)

They’re entitled to a fair trial, but all those people they’re mangling and sometimes killing aren’t? I mean, there’s no trial if you kill the person, and mangling them beforehand is like handing out a sentencing on the way to the court house. What a joke.

If that’s the fair they mean, then I’m sure a lot of people at this point would love to give these officers a “fair trial”.

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SsurebreC t1_je9hq0j wrote

Replying to Milfoy (#2,475,723)

It's an American solution to the problem because it's pretty clear that America and Americans don't really give a damn about life or we'd have better laws and policies in place that actually protect it. We'd have a Federal law that requires paid paternity leave, we'd have better healthcare that takes care of mothers and children during birth in particular, we'd have tax incentives for child care, better and safer schools, plus we wouldn't be sending kids to wars. But we don't. Because we don't really care.

As a result, we turn to the only god we currently worship: money. It's a shitty solution but it's at least one that's plausible enough to work.

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lifeofideas t1_je9mvud wrote

Police should be held to a higher standard than ordinary citizens, not a lower standard. Not a ridiculously lower standard.

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sdrakedrake t1_je9njqs wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,457,192)

I remember when Michael Brown was shot and so many defended the officer saying he resisted. Going by this video, resisting means absolutely nothing to these officers.

Nothing is stopping them for lying (police hits guy w/ car). Any idiot who still takes that officers sides just needs to eff off

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bedbuffaloes t1_je9o72t wrote

"The Fraternal Order of Police / Ohio Labor Council, the largest law enforcement labor organization in the state, said in a statement Thursday the 11 officers “are entitled to due process like all citizens” and encouraged “everyone to reserve judgment until facts are known.”

Oh, the irony.

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steakius197 t1_je9oxgi wrote

Replying to asdaaaaaaaa (#2,465,004)

Exactly! I get into a lot of arguments with people when I say there is no such thing as a good cop because if there was police brutality would not be an issue, crooked cops wouldn’t exist. My father was NYPD for 12 years then Nassau County PD for 10 and I tell him he was never a good cop. I’m absolutely sure he saw some foul shit committed by his “brothers” and didn’t say anything on more than a few occasions

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BurgerMcKinley t1_je9tf5n wrote

Replying to AudibleNod (#2,456,261)

>are citizens allowed to voice their frustrations against police officers?

Lol no.

Some states are even making laws against it

Nothing is going to change until a citizen group does something massive.

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Early-Sun4910 t1_je9xzb5 wrote

Replying to CAPSLOCKCHAMP (#2,462,022)

I’m from Cleveland… nothing is going to happen to those cops. Even if they are fired they’ll be replaced by someone who does the same thing. The police have their own rules here, they themselves are a gang.

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CAPSLOCKCHAMP t1_jea3ua5 wrote

Replying to Early-Sun4910 (#2,485,009)

I lived in Oakland. When we first got here the cops were literally passing around an underage prostitute https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/us/oakland-police-scandals/index.html

Unfortunately we also have the opposite happening to good oversight. We have an unelected committee firing good chiefs because they won’t erase their parking tickets. It’s like the fucking Wire over here https://oaklandside.org/2022/05/18/ex-oakland-police-chiefs-trial-revisits-bitter-conflicts-among-city-officials/

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lod254 t1_jea8yo3 wrote

Penalties should be much harsher for officers.

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Fun_Client_6232 t1_jealh3k wrote

Until police departments make cops under go IQ test, plus both drug & psychological tests on a regular basis this will continue to happen. Obviously police cams don’t do a damn thing. And make them live where they “police”. Very few people will shit where they eat.

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PF4LFE t1_jeaobxv wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,491,815)

Oversight - hopefully not by a politician

Internal Affairs - Great theory

Body cams - off button

Leadership - those guys were probably cops for 20 yrs - tainted

Peer Integrity - negated by the brotherhood of a union

Morals - not sure of the direct relationship between law and morals but I’m sensing they are not related

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docmedic t1_jeaqqvk wrote

Replying to CAPSLOCKCHAMP (#2,462,022)

Yup, my mom’s salonist always says she doesn’t see a problem worth addressing with police because of the thieves and riots.

Never mind that the cops would never respond to the salon in a timely manner should either happen.

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Ar_Ciel t1_jeby3v0 wrote

When even the police union isn't saying anything in their defense, you know it's truly heinous.

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