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houtex727 t1_je68exh wrote

Reply to comment by houtex727 in 11 current and former East Cleveland police officers indicted after ‘appalling’ behavior caught on video, prosecutor says by AudibleNod

Separate reply because don't want to taint that hopefully helpful video for y'all.

Yeah. I get their jobs are tough (Edit: see below), being as I have ridden along with my BIL police officer, and my brother's tales of his police work, but respect of suspects needs to be a thing, no matter how pissed off you are. What's worse is I can't know if this is taught to be this brutal and awful to others, or if they are just off the hinge and shouldn't have been police officers in the first place.

Edit: So the thing was more pointing to the fact that the tough jobs they do (and it is, do not think otherwise) causes stresses, and therefore anger, and therefore anger management issues, and therefore raging beatings and such ensue. Potentially, because it could be they are just assholes looking for a job that lets them be the true assholes they are. But anyway, the former was all I meant. That they were allowing rage to control them and that's wrong, obviously. Beyond that, shitting on my poor choice of words and assuming something else it pretty bad form, but that's reddit for you. Buncha Conan the Grammarians about, y'all need a new hobby. :p

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SsurebreC t1_je692e2 wrote

> I get their jobs are tough

Let's say someone is working as a nurse or a care-giver and they beat up their patients. Not all of them but a certain amount. Say 5%. Should that person still be employed in that capacity? No. Should they be charged with abuse? Yes.

It's just that simple.

And the solution to this is also simple. Get mandatory malpractice insurance for the police like they have for those same nurses and surgeons. This insurance is what's used to pay out all the lawsuits that will be filed. A shitty police officer will have higher premiums and will ultimately be out of a job anywhere in the country rather than being protected now or moving to another department whlie keeping their job.

If police officers believe they're the military and it's them vs. civilians then they should then be required to follow the rules of engagements that actual soldiers do (and the related code of conduct) which is significantly harsher than what the police have now.

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girlfreddyf t1_je6e8os wrote

Exactly. I can't understand those who back cops 100% no matter what they do.

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deferens t1_je6zo77 wrote

Oh, I understand it alright. Those people who back cops 100% no matter what, got real, real quiet when a bunch of Black cops beat a guy to death.

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Chance-Ad-9103 t1_je8hjsu wrote

Hierarchy is very important to a large subset of the population. It’s not what someone does, it’s who that person is that matters. These are police officers and that is enough to make there actions justified in the minds of maybe 40% of our country. Goes just the same for clergy, the wealthy, the military. This is how you can have a dyed in the wool small government conservative 100% pro police and military the two largest most active and shall we say hands on government organizations. It’s ridiculous.

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Philo_T_Farnsworth t1_je6py0c wrote

It's interesting you use this example because I personally know someone who was convicted of a felony for assaulting a nursing home resident in their capacity as a caregiver. Evidently an old person got combative, things escalated, and it got physical. It was an open and shut case. That patient's senility cannot be seen as an excuse for what happened. A cop doing this should be subject to the very same justice.

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SsurebreC t1_je6topo wrote

Exactly. I used my example because you can lose your cool trying to take care of someone. Caretaker fatigue is real and who suffers more than people whose entire jobs are doing that. But those people are still held to higher standards. Police officers should be held to even higher standards because they also have the power to end lives just because they lose their cool. So let's start with the same high standards to start and go from there.

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DarthBluntSaber t1_je6l8fd wrote

Police forces seem to be trained more and more to view the communities they are supposed to PROTECT as if they the police are in some foreign land and they are their to keep the locals in line and like every citizen is a potential enemy.

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SsurebreC t1_je6m8nt wrote

That's why I wrote the last half because actual soldiers have better rules of engagements against even terrorists than police officers have against their own fellow Americans.

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Milfoy t1_je8qyx2 wrote

If you think police unions are dreadful, just wait until you try and get a payout from a police insurance company!

Insurance is such an American solution to this problem. How about

  • better hiring and training.
  • mandatory bodycams subject to random checks as well as use as evidence.
  • National register of officers and their records
  • No ability to duck investigations by resigning and moving elsewhere.
  • Payouts come directly from the police budget.
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SsurebreC t1_je9hq0j wrote

It's an American solution to the problem because it's pretty clear that America and Americans don't really give a damn about life or we'd have better laws and policies in place that actually protect it. We'd have a Federal law that requires paid paternity leave, we'd have better healthcare that takes care of mothers and children during birth in particular, we'd have tax incentives for child care, better and safer schools, plus we wouldn't be sending kids to wars. But we don't. Because we don't really care.

As a result, we turn to the only god we currently worship: money. It's a shitty solution but it's at least one that's plausible enough to work.

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Ok-Hunt6574 t1_je6t5t5 wrote

It's taught. It's the culture and history of police. When the elites need to put down the peasants they use the police. When they needed workers for the fields, they used police, when they wanted to criminalize sexual behavior, they used the police, lynch minorities, police, see the pattern?

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Icy_Comfort8161 t1_je7st5v wrote

I think it's more that narcissists self-select into the police force because they like the power and control they have over others' lives, and it makes them feel good about themselves.

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AntoniusPoe t1_je8lkh9 wrote

I have every belief that this behavior is taught. Some, perhaps many, are drawn to this type of job for the power. But I have no doubt that the training drills in the "us vs them" and the "DO WHAT I SAY" mentality. The fact that they all believe that chanting "stop resisting" protects them like a shield while they beat and kick those who are down and subdued tells me that they are trained like this. Maybe I'm wrong. But I doubt it.

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