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Macinsocks t1_je7paqx wrote

the dumb fucks started the fire themselves

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pegothejerk t1_je7s53v wrote

Replying to Macinsocks (#2,467,407)

Do you really think everyone locked in there was complicit with the idea of starting a fire in a locked cell? Also the guards that willfully walked away without unlocking the door after seeing the fire are who I blame for avoidable deaths. There's blame to go for those who actually planned and lit the fire, but those guards are guilty too. People fleeing horrors in desperation don't deserve to mocked or a death sentence.

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hyldemarv t1_je8et2w wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,469,617)

Yes. I can.

If one does not have breathing apparatus, then going into thick smoke, especially the toxic smoke from burning foam mattresses will get you killed, likely before getting anyone out.

These rinky-dink facilities don’t have breathing apparatus (which requires training), they don’t have fire suppression and smoke evacuation, apparently, and they don’t have central unlocking. Once the smoke filled that area, there’s not much that can be done until the firefighters get there with proper equipment.

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LitreOfCockPus t1_je8vdq8 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,469,617)

Three dozen angry, belligerent prisoners and seconds to get clear before you will be, at minimum, in hospital with lungs full of soot.

This isn't victims abandoned, so much as a stupid gamble tantamount to Russian roulette.

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asdaaaaaaaa t1_je90t1s wrote

Replying to hyldemarv (#2,473,110)

>especially the toxic smoke from burning foam mattresses will get you killed, likely before getting anyone out.

Depending on the toxins in the smoke and how dense it is, probably in just a few breaths, or less. Do people think firefighters wear SCBA for fun or something?

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THETRILOBSTER t1_je9xfp7 wrote

Replying to ExecutionerKen (#2,471,504)

>The migrants were stuck in Ciudad Jaurez because U.S. immigration policies don’t allow them to cross the border to file asylum claims. But they were rounded up because Ciudad Juarez residents were tired of migrants blocking border crossings or asking for money.

Yes those dangerous prisoners that were detained for standing around and asking for money.

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John-wick-90 t1_je9y6ho wrote

Replying to THETRILOBSTER (#2,484,882)

They did more than ask for money, there were hundreds of police complaints made by women in Juarez of being sexually harrassment by this problematic group of migrants who were rounded up. The local government tried for weeks to get them off the streets and they refused any offer of shelter, they wanted to create chaos in Juarez to put pressure on US immigration authorities to let them cross

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John-wick-90 t1_je9yril wrote

Replying to THETRILOBSTER (#2,484,882)

If you want to know more about the tensions that led to this tragedy I suggest you read this article by border report, a website set up by the local NBC affiliate in El Paso, Texas to cover immigration news. They reported weeks ago about the tensions that were building up between local residents and migrants, including the harrasment of women by the migrants. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.borderreport.com/immigration/border-crime/mass-migrant-crossing-attempt-was-senseless-irrational-act-mayor-says/amp/

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THETRILOBSTER t1_jea1t11 wrote

Replying to John-wick-90 (#2,485,060)

I've seen 0 articles state the men that were burned alive were accused of sexual harassment or refused shelter, not that any of that should prevent a guard from saving their lives. I have, however seen reports of authorities abusing their power in the area:

>The Associated Press reported that more than 30 migrant shelters and other advocacy organizations published an open letter earlier this month that complained of a criminalization of migrants and asylum-seekers in the city. The letter accused authorities of abuse and excessive force while rounding up migrants, even questioning people in the street about their immigration status without any cause.

We're not talking about some maximum security prison filled with psychopaths and murderers, it's a border detention facility. Filled with immigrants entering or leaving the country. They certainly weren't charged with any crimes that should preclude them from currently being alive.

If I were a betting man I'd wager the fact that they are immigrants from the areas south of the US is the reason people are sprinting into the chat to morally absolve the guards of their obligation to save these people.

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