phoenix1984 t1_jdl2x24 wrote
Reply to comment by VaccumSaturdays in Xcel Energy to power down Monticello nuclear plant early after more radioactive water leaks out by VaccumSaturdays
What talking points? It’s basic science literacy. People don’t seem to have a sense of scale for sieverts so I thought of the first thing I could to give people a relative sense of what we’re actually talking about here. Should I convert it to banana scale for you?
Serious question, how dangerous do you think this is?
TheRealMrOrpheus t1_jdl4sep wrote
Listen man, all the facts previously mentioned aren't supporting the narrative I want to believe, so I'm going to disregard all of those, and I'm going to need you to come up with entirely new ones; preferably ones that don't actually refute my views, but I'll also take "talking points" that are easily refuted or can be twisted in my favor, if that's all you got. Please and thank you!
VaccumSaturdays OP t1_jdly225 wrote
And then the bananas reference. Keep it going.
And to answer your question, I think it’s as dangerous as Xcel thinks it is. Why then clean it up?
We know this is a slow moving train, about to crash, and will be getting worse.
phoenix1984 t1_jdmqgoo wrote
I hate to break it to you but they’re not doing it out of the goodness of their heart. Any leak must be cleaned up. Even if it’s plain old tritium.
VaccumSaturdays OP t1_jdmtfr5 wrote
And tell me, friend - why exactly must any leak be cleaned up?
Perhaps is it due to, oh I don’t know, the danger?
phoenix1984 t1_jdmwuv3 wrote
Because after actually dangerous accidents rushed regulation was passed saying any leak must be cleaned up regardless of how dangerous it is. Remember the coal power plant example? This is not like the Ohio train derailment.
It is tritium. Its radiation cannot pass through the skin. If ingested, it decays within a few hours. You know the radioactive material doctors use to photograph the path your veins take? Thousands of times more radioactive. Hell, assuming they never clean it up and you live next door and consume the entire leak yourself, that would be somewhere between an X-ray and an international flight’s worth of radiation. Those exit signs they hang in schools all over the place? Waaay more tritium than this. You absolutely consume way more radiation naturally.
You are proving my point. People don’t understand the relative dangers of different radiation levels.
VaccumSaturdays OP t1_jdn3r3c wrote
You keep insinuating that this is a very low level of concern, but you’re proving my point. The concern is not what we’ve been informed of, but what we haven’t been informed of. What comes next.
I’ll summarize it this way, you don’t give a shit. And that’s fine. But most others do, and are waiting for the other shoe to drop.
So again, your damage control is showing.
phoenix1984 t1_jdn5iid wrote
So you’re concerned that a thing that hasn’t happened yet, in a reactor that is already in the process of being shut down, will happen. Ok, probably not first place of concern but a degree of paranoia when it comes to nuclear safety is a good thing. Yay for good intentions. Sounding the alarm over things that don’t matter hurts your ability to keep people safe.
If something bad does happen, but if you’ve been overreacting about the things that don’t matter, nobody will listen/care. It hurts not only your own credibility but people’s impression of the dangers of radiation in general. If you are legit worried about nuclear safety, then clearly communicating accurate information is priority #1. This post and your comments until now do none of that. They make the people who believe you less safe. You are doing harm. That’s why I’m hung up on this.
VaccumSaturdays OP t1_jdnlp1n wrote
The definition is “gaslighting” ☝️
phoenix1984 t1_jdntkw4 wrote
Another great example is calling anything you disagree with gaslighting. It destroys the meaning and hurts people’s ability to accurately call it out when it actually happens.
VaccumSaturdays OP t1_jdoro25 wrote
A classic case of Double Gaslighting ☝️
phoenix1984 t1_jdorwxo wrote
Next up, triple secret gaslighting! So you’re just done saying anything relevant or substantive now then, huh?
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So you're going to scare people who don't know any better, and then block anyone who calls you out on it. Preying on people's ignorance and fears for karma. Cool.
VaccumSaturdays OP t1_jdosf0y wrote
Remember earlier when I said you don’t give a shit, but others do? Bye, bye.
rnr_ t1_jdnjmj8 wrote
They clean it up because they have to. The limits on allowable tritium concentrations were exceeded but the limits are set so far below dangerous levels, this leak has not posed any real threat to the public.
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