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BrownMan65 t1_ja51kz7 wrote

Reply to comment by victorfiction in Israelis, Palestinians pledge to curb violence at Jordan meeting by Hiversitize

Only thing that will fix it is actually allowing the Palestinians that are being held like prisoners throughout the area to return to their homes. Throwing jobs at people who are already being treated worse than animals by Israelis is not going to fix any issue.

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GenShermansGhost t1_ja6d3wc wrote

> allowing the Palestinians that are being held like prisoners throughout the area to return to their homes

That ship sailed when the Arab world ethnically cleansed their own Jewish populations. At this point, demanding the right-of-return is demanding the enforcement of a double-standard where the Arabs are allowed to remove Jews from their lands, but not vice-versa.

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GenShermansGhost t1_ja6db38 wrote

> , as determined by the UN itself.

The Arab world holds outsized influence among the UN, and the body has displayed gross bias against Israel in the past; it has issued more resolutions condemning Israel than against all other countries combined, despite there being far worse countries out there than Israel.

> On top of that, there is a very clear disparity in the deaths that are caused by Palestinians and those caused by Israelis.

There's a reason for that and that's a pisspoor argument.

> Palestinians are completely in the right to fight back and if there are Israeli civilian deaths then that should be considered caused by the Israeli government.

You're either a lunatic or bloodthirsty.

> They have pushed Palestinians to react this way.

Pretty sure Israel didn't push the Arabs to attack them in 1948 with the stated goal of "pushing the Jews into the sea"

> Israel does not get to take everything from these people and then cry when they fight back and kill them.

These people are getting a far lesser version what their ancestors attempted to do to the Israelis.

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VercettiEstates t1_ja6aup2 wrote

Which Ukrainian soldiers are killing Russian civilians on purpose?

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burningphoenix77888 t1_ja6q3if wrote

It isn’t terrorism to fight occupation. It is called guerrilla warfare. They are partisans. Not “terrorists”

So yes. It does include them.

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chyko9 t1_ja6r7a2 wrote

Palestinian militants view all of Israel as “the occupation”. They believe all Israeli land is “occupied territory” that must be “liberated”. Do you understand this and not care, or do you not understand that their goal is not merely the “liberation” of the West Bank, but the destruction of Israel itself?

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chyko9 t1_ja6tqi7 wrote

Palestine doesn’t have a “leader”. It’s “leadership” is made up of shifting coalitions of militant groups, with varying degrees of fundamentalism and political objectives of varying maximalism. Because of this, Abbas’ opinion isn’t actually indicative of if the militant groups that constitute the Palestinian leadership want themselves.

So, we have to turn to actions, because they speak louder than words. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, which is the only data point we have with which to predict what would happen if Israel withdrew from the West Bank as well.

What ended up happening? Israel got rocket attacks and cross border raids in response, precisely because the militant groups that truly constitute the Palestinian leadership don’t actually share Abbas’ surface-level statement that the 1967 borders are legitimate. Abbas probably doesn’t even believe it himself.

The truth is that Israel could withdraw to the 1967 or even the 1948 borders and the vast majority of Palestinian militants would only view it as “partial success”.

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