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onioning t1_j8o9prb wrote

Reply to comment by wallygator88 in India, soon world's most populous nation, doesn't know how many people it has by Icewear_Daddy

The facts do not support this position. The facts demonstrate that the population in India is plateauing. Were they to take steps to limit growth they would likely go into decline (and also that's evil).

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deeptimeswimmer t1_j8pwjhg wrote

Why is wanting the worlds most overpopulated countries population to go down, evil?! When you have an environment stressed by too many people, (which is, in fact, a thing), it’s only moral to want to have less people around.

People are starving for fucks sake. Any attempt to develop an infrastructure (to improve the citizens quality of life) gets instantly crushed under the sheer numbers of poor, hapless people who try to use it.

India (and indeed, Earth in general) needs to have one-tenth of its current population. And I am not talking about causing deaths. I’m talking about family planning and birth control.

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onioning t1_j8q0418 wrote

> When you have an environment stressed by too many people, (which is, in fact, a thing)

No. This is untrue. Not only is it not true, it is a billion miles from being true.

It is true that current consumption habits are grossly unsustainable. But it's the consumption habits that are the problem, not people's desire to exist. We are absolutely capable of ensuring the prosperity of all people on Earth and many many many many more while being fully sustainable.

For real though. No one with relevant expertise disagrees with those statements. The idea that we just can't support everyone is capitalist garbage. It blames those with the least capital and offers them up as sacrifice so that we all get our own cars.

>People are starving for fucks sake.

Not because we can't make enough food. Because we can't extract sufficient wealth from them to justify giving them food. There is more than enough food in the world to feed everyone. It is fundamentally not an issue of production. It's an issue of economic exploitation.

>’m talking about family planning and birth control.

You're taking about removing people's right to control their own reproduction. That's powerfully wrong. It's also completely unnecessary and won't in any way achieve the goal you want, but regardless it's very, very wrong. It's just fundamentally untrue that we have an overpopulation problem, and pretty much every qualified expert agrees that there will never come a time when overpopulation becomes an issue.

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wallygator88 t1_j8obqel wrote

Mind linking me to the data you've looked at?

Totally happy to change my opinion, if true.

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