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macross1984 t1_j9rn0q6 wrote

The good thing is pilot survived. The bad things are the aircraft was total loss and the pilot damaged his career because the loss was determined to be pilot error.

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RootHogOrDieTrying t1_j9tz0r2 wrote

He'll be flying a cargo plane of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!

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soufatlantasanta t1_j9xl8ae wrote

"That's called FedEx and they pay better than the Navy does" -- C.W. Lemoine, a.k.a. Mover

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Goddess_Peorth t1_j9rs07q wrote

I'm not sure that's a bad thing; if he didn't complete the checklist, and also crashed, what does it mean? He's either a hotdog or a cabbage.

Not everybody that wants to be a pilot and passes the initial qualifications is actually cut out for it. He's still in the Navy in another role, where hopefully he can excel.

It doesn't "damage" his career any more than if he'd failed in the qualification stage. You don't sign up to be a Navy F-35 pilot, you just sign up for the Navy.

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codearoni t1_j9rsv68 wrote

These guys spend their lives working up to become a fighter pilot. Getting blacklisted due to error is a huge ego blow, demoralizing to say to least.

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andoesq t1_j9s13yp wrote

Ya, those guys pretty much do join the Navy to be naval aviators and land cutting edge jets on carriers.

Maybe he'll get back into an f35 some day, maybe he's washed out and has to fly something else, I don't know, but this is definitely a huge blow to his career and ego and probably life in general

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optimaloutcome t1_j9vd1gu wrote

He's probably flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit to Hong Kong right now.

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Reset_Assured t1_j9s2ysj wrote

I don’t think so. Someone that made a mistake and learned from it is much more of an asset. They’ll follow that check list from now on

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Goddess_Peorth t1_j9sexg8 wrote

It was a lot more than that. He was also attempting an advanced maneuver that he hadn't practiced, and lost situational awareness while doing it.

They have to be the sort of people who practice first, show off later.

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NearPeerAdversary t1_j9sqt8p wrote

Sounds like he was hotdogging, had poor SA, poor checklist discipline, hurt 4 sailors, and cost the Navy a lot of expensive equipment. This wasn't a simple oopsie. He'll be lucky to be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong.

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PercyXLee t1_j9zza6r wrote

Is rubber dogshit some sort of inside expression?

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CW1DR5H5I64A t1_j9t6bjx wrote

>he is still in the Navy in another role, where hopefully he can excel

That’s not how the Military works. The US Military operates on an “up or out” model under Title 10 US IS code 1407 where you have to meet promotion requirements within a very tight window (usually within 2-3 years) or else you hit your retention control point and are separated from service. A single bad yearly evaluation can mean you do not promote, and are shown the door. A total loss of an airframe due to pilot error is not something you’ll bounce back from.

>you don’t sign up to be an F35 pilot, you just sign up for the Navy

While this is somewhat true, it’s not exactly accurate. You don’t go down to the recruiter and get a contract explicitly stating you’ll be an aviator; but most pilots join the navy with that being the goal. Once they pass through their assessments and qualify for aviation they get incredibly specialized training which does not transfer to other naval career paths. It’s not like an aviator can just slide over to a SWO job because they get grounded.

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SpaceTabs t1_j9sw2yk wrote

A "career" can be ended with a single warning. Once they are passed over the career is over.

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AnUnderratedComment t1_j9sf4io wrote

This is a nice idealistic take, but it’s obviously not accurate or realistic.

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PolyhedralZydeco t1_j9v8er5 wrote

What is the difference between being a hotdog and a cabbage as far as bad pilots go?

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Goddess_Peorth t1_j9wiike wrote

A hot dog shouts "yee-ha!" while doing something stupid that he knows that he isn't supposed to do, but think will make him look cool, or show he's better than all the other pilots. Most pilots are naturally this sort of person, but they either learn military discipline... or they don't.

A cabbage just sits there while they crash, trying to remember what to do.

This guy was perhaps both. He was attempting an advanced maneuver he had never practiced, and also didn't press all the buttons required for a carrier landing. He also didn't notice they were waving him off.

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uhh-frost t1_j9z1xa2 wrote

I would 100% be a cabbage in this kind of situation.

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louslapsbass21 t1_ja8ku2k wrote

Bro scrapped millions of dollars worth of hardware and embarassed many, many senior officers. His career is definitely damaged. The military is small, this kind of shit will follow him everywhere. And good luck flying for a commercial airline with a crash on your record

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punkfunkymonkey t1_j9rxdeb wrote

Did they ever deal with whoever leaked the footage of the crash? Iirc it could have potentially given a position of the wreckage and it was filmed in an area where personal phones shouldn't be.

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HutPocalypse t1_j9tu7yn wrote

They were disciplined under the UCMJ

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tobi0666 t1_j9yojyx wrote

Only if their military. If their civilians, they get spy charges. (Can't get spellchecker to do that French origin e word)

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HutPocalypse t1_j9yudci wrote

It was in the report put out during the investigation.

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alvarezg t1_j9w434t wrote

That's one hell of an expensive error! Good thing they don't dock his pay.

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tobi0666 t1_j9xjnat wrote

Remember that time the navy said a battleship was blown up cuz a sailor had a gay relationship that "soured" turned out it was an accident. The navy's only evidence that the sailor was gay was the fact he wrestled. or the bohemne Richard (Benjamin Franklin's French pen name, I'm not googleing it, you do it) caught fire and blamed it on the newest youngest least protected contractor available. Please notice LEAST protected. Also remember agent orange (google it)

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haufii t1_j9yhkmo wrote

Yeah totally agree

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tobi0666 t1_ja48u8k wrote

Is there some reason people don't like the name tobi?

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tobi0666 t1_j9yo6ic wrote

Do you think I got downvoted because I mention agent orange? Or people don't think I did 8 years as an operation specialist in the navy. OS2 is my title and name

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MarmotMoment t1_ja1u3qw wrote

I think they down voted you because youre name is Tobi, no offence.

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tobi0666 t1_ja48k6s wrote

Thanks for the intel..

Is there some reason people don't like the name tobi?

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SluttyBurritoBastard t1_j9vv82k wrote

Yes, many many many. The entire advancement of flying is based off of trial and error. Tons of failed systems leading to crashes that lead to changes and updated systems... There's tons of interesting videos on YouTube about plane crashes and some of them explain how a system failed, how it's been updated.

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