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strik3r2k8 t1_j8nlt1m wrote

”The thing is, we really did have everything, didn’t we? I mean, when you think about it.”

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stvrkillr t1_j8nwzpi wrote

We’re going to have whatever planet we deserve

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[deleted] t1_j8o2c4v wrote

Gonna watch Waterworld this weekend and take some notes.

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Faithinreason t1_j8o9o1p wrote

OMG! TDIL: warm water melts ice

For every downvote Im gonna feed a cow broccoli. I’ll take you wankers out one cow fart at a time.

Edit Dos: keep them coming you spell checking thundercunts. I love wasting youre time

Eydet trees: YAAAAAAAASSS!!!!

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the_eluder t1_j8ogx1n wrote

Perfect - I'll have sound front property!

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8olerc wrote

Calling it the "Doomsday Glacier" is ridiculous and easy fuel for deniers to point at as say, "those scientists are overreacting".

Call it the "Coastal Flooding Glacier" or "Florida's Nightmare Glacier".

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Amrokmfc t1_j8oph1b wrote

That glacier is the approximate size of Florida and can cause up to a 1.6 meter rise of the ocean level, which in turn directly threatens other glaciers that represent another 3 meter rise of ocean levels. So about twelve feet of ocean rise. That’s not good.

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UristMcHammer t1_j8ovd2a wrote

might be a good time to invest into some mildly inland property, it'll be beachfront soon

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bobswowaccount t1_j8p5xeg wrote

Look at the bright side, this will have a positive effect on the ratio of garbage to water in our oceans.

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CirrusPuppy t1_j8p9ufo wrote

Replying to picklesthecat (#1,822,224)

Humanity is not a blight, or a plague, or a virus.

Humanity is fine, it's the handful of selfish cowards that are steering the rest of us directly into danger, death, and destruction all for the pursuit of imaginary numbers on a computer screen that tells them they have greater claim to safety, comfort, and security than everyone else.

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TrunksTheMighty t1_j8pdjif wrote

We should just nuke the glacier and be done with it. The waiting is the hard part.

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goltz20707 t1_j8phszf wrote

I see a number of comments here like, “sea levels are going to rise X feet, but I’m Y feet above sea level, so I’m fine.”

No. No, you’re not.

Remember how, not that long ago, all the closures and disruption from COVID-19 totally screwed up the supply chain? Well, the vast majority of the nation’s commerce, and that of other nations, flows through oceanside ports, ports that will be largely unusable for a good period of time once the seas rise. Probably for decades, even if we start adapting them now.

Oil, LPG, JP-1, imports from China, exports, everything non-domestic that doesn’t come from or go to Canada or Mexico, all of it flows through oceanside ports, many of which will be shut down or impaired.

And, just like there are many major cities near the ocean, there are many major airports. Inland airports will still be functional (although see above re: JP-1), but our air traffic control system is largely at capacity now. Diverting all the flights from JFK, Miami, etc. to other airports is going to create the mother of all air traffic jams.

And except for digital traffic, air and water transport is all there is for intercontinental commerce. (I suppose we could use suborbital rockets, but that doesn’t scale well.)

The upshot is, once the sea levels rise—and it’s a when, not an if—take COVID levels of disruption and multiply them by 20. At minimum.

This is on track to happen within 10 years.

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jjfrenchfry t1_j8pj86e wrote

Replying to Faithinreason (#1,821,320)

I feel like down voting someone is hardly a waste of time, whereas you adding edits feels like a bigger waste. how often are you checking this comment?

Seems like the only one wasting time is you. (and me writing this message, but I honestly have nothing going on at the moment so I can afford the time).

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Didact67 t1_j8pjzuz wrote

Damn. Still not enough to entirely erase Florida.

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iocan28 t1_j8pkp81 wrote

Replying to CirrusPuppy (#1,824,182)

Is that really the case though? I feel like humanity has collective guilt here, and the fact that people aren’t outright taking action, violent if need be, to steer things towards sustainability makes those of us not doing more guilty. Just being part of modern civilization is possibly enough. Saying it’s just a few people doesn’t accurately describe the problem.

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Spoonloops t1_j8pswx1 wrote

Not surprised. I live in a northern region in Canada. We've had more days above freezing than below this winter. Thats ABNORMAL. Sure we've had random above 0 days on the past, but its been +5, +7 then -2 then back to +4 for an extended period of time. We're seeing GRASS.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8pw1gc wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,825,683)

>They are going to claim scientists are "overreacting" no matter what the scientists say.

Yeah. Likely true. But I figure don't give them something easy like this to point at.

Yeah, I live that bit from Carlin. Thankfully human life will be nothing more than a blip on the history of earth.

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octopusarian t1_j8pwojn wrote

Replying to goltz20707 (#1,824,753)

Ugh I remember having this moment during the toilet paper crisis. Sitting in my room alone, early quarantine, staring at the wall just thinking "fuck. If this is what a virus does to us, what's gonna happen when climate change finally peaks?"

Like nearly everything that props up society was buckling at that point and all we had to do was stay inside ffs. I want to be optimistic but it was a real wake up moment...

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8q03pb wrote

Replying to Wu-kandaForever (#1,825,897)

I will be very, very bad, indeed. Displaced and hungry poor people; refugees moving upland and seeking out wealthy countries. Millions of desperate people seeking refuge all around the world.

However, what would the source of this fighting be? Poor refugees dont have a lot of weapons, and we've seen many people in power willing to sacrifice the poor masses...

Climate change is very, very bad for the poor nations of the world, but the wealthy perpetrators of climate change will use their power and wealth to insulate themselves from the effects they created...

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Draker-X t1_j8q9rb4 wrote

Replying to CirrusPuppy (#1,824,182)

And the rest of us did relatively nothing while they did so.

The billionaires alone aren't going to melt this glacier, or kill of the bees, or start the Sixth Extinction Phase that some scientists say we're already in. It took billions of people, either actively ruining the Earth or standing idly by while it was done, to do so.

Including you and me.

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Draker-X t1_j8qaakm wrote

Replying to Spoonloops (#1,825,550)

I live in the Midwest of the U.S. During the roughly 90 days of meteorological winter, there's usually snow on the ground for somewhere between 30-45 days, and we're usually good for 3-4 good -sized snowfalls of at least 4-6" per year.

This year? 1 big snowfall and maybe two weeks of snow on the ground total. It's seemingly rained more than it's snowed, which is weird for winter.

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thewwwyzzardd t1_j8qaplk wrote

Replying to Harmonic_Flatulence (#1,825,570)

I do think that it will be the end of what we currently know as normal, how much the new world that emerges resembles our current civilization is a big unknown to me. Drougts, storms, famine, war tend to change things regionally but on a global scale and occuring simultaneously? Sounds like the makings of what could be a new "fall of rome" but with much larger scale and more severe. I do not think it bodes well for civilization. One thing is certain, if we continue down this path now we will need massive changes in the ever closer future to make things work.

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Most_Ruin_3005 t1_j8qf11r wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,825,597)

It's also worth mentioning 2 more points:

  1. not only will sea levels rise, but as glaciers melt, they'll disrupt the composition of the ocean itself. Glaciers are fresh-water, while most of the ocean is salt water. This will, inevitably, lead to significant oceanic ecosystem disruptions and potentially many more extinctions;
  2. rising sea levels will also have a dramatic impact on global weather patterns. It's hard to predict what those will be, but we should expect more unpredictable weather shifts, stronger storms, and more anamolous "once in a century" weather events becoming significantly more commonplace.

So, in reality, the situation is much more dire than just sea level rise. We're at the liminal precipice, now, of the Holocene Extinction. Buckle in, because shit's gonna get real weird.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8qm8ds wrote

Replying to thewwwyzzardd (#1,826,888)

All those things you described are the effects of climate change in general, not this glacier. I agree that climate change will ultimately change our society, in many ways that are difficult to predict.

We need to people on board with correcting our course, and serving up hyperbole to shock people will work about as well as DARE did in the 80-90's.

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Trips_Nicely t1_j8r374a wrote

I think I'll just sell my beachfront property to a whale. It should already be perfectly accommodated, my mother in law has been living here for years!

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missC08 t1_j8sc5td wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,830,887)

All of this, is a big reason why I'm on the fence of having kids. My husband and I want to be parents but the environment is going to shit. We'd feel guilty bringing kids into this world and then we'd be leaving it worse off than before.

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lovablemonty t1_j8uks47 wrote

gets popcorn ready alrighty, let's get this show on the road

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if_i_was_a_folkstar t1_j8wjmpt wrote

Replying to Harmonic_Flatulence (#1,831,159)

We are talking about over a billion climate refugees by 2050, what % of those people will be from the coastline idk but we are talking about an 1/8th of the worlds population being displaced. Being 30m above sea level is not gonna be enough to escape the environmental and social consequences, even if your property is fine. I don’t think sea level rise will be the end of civilization, climate change however very possible.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8wt09g wrote

Replying to if_i_was_a_folkstar (#1,842,823)

>I don’t think sea level rise will be the end of civilization, climate change however very possible.

On this point, we agree. Climate change (as a whole) could bring about dramatic changes to the human landscape. And we should be doing everything we can to convince people we need to change our fossil fuel focus.

And I feel calling this glacier "the Doomsday Glacier" is unnecessary hyperbole.

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if_i_was_a_folkstar t1_j8wtv5k wrote

Replying to Harmonic_Flatulence (#1,843,698)

Given the stakes I don’t really think it’s hyperbole but we can agree to disagree, at this point climate alarmism can’t hurt. I personally feel like scientists often fail to communicate the severity of climate change to the public. “Doomsday glacier” is snappy and has a better chance at remaining in the public consciousness and having people understand the stakes

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dillrepair t1_j92whwz wrote

Replying to Spoonloops (#1,825,550)

Yep . 50s (f) occasionally thru December Jan and feb in far northern Wisconsin snow belt… but at least one full week of almost consecutive days with above freezing temperatures for the majority of the daylight hours each of these months. Which in January and February is extremely abnormal. Watching the national and regional pressure maps and temp maps has been very odd over the last year too. And I watch them pretty much every day because if the lake is soft I need to know the weather. Winter tried for a few weeks at a time here and there, but it mostly lost. The most recent year that’s been anything close to this warm was the winter of 2016-17. And what would be outliers like this are happening more and more regularly. Just take a look at the change from normal in sea surface temperatures in the Bering Sea over the last 10 months to year timeframe.

I’d recommend anyone who wants to start paying close attention to how things are changing by watching the weather closely by the day to get the windy app… and the premium is worth it, let’s you see all the models

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dillrepair t1_j92yaqc wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,823,698)

Nah it’s gonna push em up north. Fuck that shit. Theres really good reasons beyond the obvious why all these GOP guys all pass bills or send memos saying “don’t talk about this or that or teach this or that”…. And then all leave and seek out of state office as fast as they can…. Like Rick Scott for example had a gag order on talking about climate change by state agencies… wonder why. Furthermore wonder why insurance won’t even bother covering people in Florida anymore? Yeah there’s other big reasons too… but they’re all hedging bets the politicians and the insurance because they know damn well half the revenue generating locations in the state are going to be underwater or unlivable within a decade. It doesn’t look as bad as you might think on the sea level rise interactive map but when you take into account where is actually livable and where most people currently are living it’s scary as shit.

Nobody is ready for what’s coming and it’s coming much faster than people expect… and I guarantee you lots of big insurance companies have really well done mathematical predictions that would frighten people but they keep that kind of knowledge a secret because it’s how they make money. we’ve already surrendered 1.5 degrees folks.

Oh also I checked… dipshit Orange man country club doesn’t look like it gets swamped right away…. And that’s just sad considering how much that family helped hasten this.

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dillrepair t1_j92zcws wrote

Replying to UristMcHammer (#1,822,960)

I checked and orange man gets to keep his little golf club probably. For anyone interested just Google interactive sea level rise map… and click on the gov or nasa website that comes up I can’t remember which it is

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dillrepair t1_j92zll0 wrote

Replying to stvrkillr (#1,820,315)

And the earth doesn’t care. It’s a striking revelation taking historical geology anthro and climatology in undergrad…. It won’t be the first time that millions of species disappear and it won’t be the last… but that doesn’t mean we have to sit here and hasten it either

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dillrepair t1_j92zrc9 wrote

Replying to Burstar1 (#1,824,097)

Lula de Silva has already made strides toward slowing rainforest loss, we need to support that shit dude. Another reason why Ukraine is happening the way it is relates to the massive amount of rare earth minerals in the regions that Putin really wants. It’s always about money and power and finding the right place to strike small axe blows to either bring down the good in the world or to raise it up. Use your axe wisely.

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