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Julio_Gustavo t1_j9zemc9 wrote

You don't have to agree with it, but this is the stuff that makes the West infinitely better than Russia.

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CR0Wmurder t1_j9zn951 wrote

This is a good take

We’re not pushing people out of windows……er I mean people having accidents.

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Julio_Gustavo t1_j9zr92q wrote

Russians that were protesting the war were winding up in jail or killed. I am curious to know what happened to the antiwar Russian protest organizers. What did the State do to them?

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deftoner42 t1_ja065qk wrote

Doing menial military tasks on/near the front until they're called up to the meatgrinder

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Julio_Gustavo t1_ja06z67 wrote

Each one of these responses gets worse. Just disappeared, that is scary. Meanwhile, these Germans protestors probably go home and enjoy Bratwursts, beer, and a Bundesliga game.

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deftoner42 t1_ja07vrl wrote

Right, at least they can protest (I kinda see this as more an anti-war/stop the killing protest rather than an Pro-russia protest). But even putting flowers on a statue in russia will get you thrown in the gulag, or worse.

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clgoodson t1_ja3odyn wrote

So apparently a lot of them are either Russian immigrants, or remnants of the East Germam political parties that leaned heavily towards Russia. The only reaso. You don’t see a lot of Soviet flags and Nazi stuff like at other protests is that the police were confiscating them.

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edingerc t1_ja167i4 wrote

>Bratwursts

Don't you mean Schnitzengruben? ;)

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Julio_Gustavo t1_ja1dpdf wrote

No thank you, I have a limit on how many Schnitzengruben my hypothetical Marxist German protesters can eat.

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Screamingholt t1_ja2oshu wrote

"Oh man, those Schnitzengruben really wipe a man out. What's happening in the Cleeeean world?"

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Sotha01 t1_ja2w2j5 wrote

Our country has been doing shit in the background for years, don't fool yourself. Our media won't touch it because they know better. Wait 15 years and I promise you'll be dumbstruck by the bs we've been doing when it becomes public. Not saying I support Russia. I want to see Putin hang.

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CR0Wmurder t1_ja2wirj wrote

This is the President of a country directly ordering the murders of journalists and political rivals.

Your point on the US, UK, France, etc committing war crimes and evil acts both historically and presently is absolutely true tho 👍🏼

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subhuman09 t1_ja3u4br wrote

Makes me iffy on Putin’s support ratings in Russia. People are probably just afraid to fall out of windows

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WickedDemiurge t1_j9zwftz wrote

Not necessarily. If these are authentic beliefs based on correct information, then sure, even bad opinions are part of Western democracy. OTOH, if these are based on foreign disinformation, governments need to do a better job shutting that down. And the organizers themselves should have a counter-intelligence investigation done on them, because some of them are literally paid by the Russian government.

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A US based example is Wyatt Reed, who is funded by the Russian government's Sputnik news, and "coincidentally" spoke against support for Ukraine at an "anti-war" rally. People have a right to express their opinions, but they don't have a right to engage in psychological warfare on behalf of foreign powers.

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D43SIN t1_ja0u55m wrote

> OTOH, if these are based on foreign disinformation, governments need to do a better job shutting that down.

Everything is based on disinformation, both the west and the Russians have been engaging in widespread propaganda efforts. You only need to see the amount of "Putin has cancer, he's about to die" "there's about to be a Putin coup" on the worldnews subreddit to see that the propaganda is flowing copiously from both sides.

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Dice_to_see_you t1_ja3i007 wrote

We had a story running in Canada that Putin shit his pants. I kid you not. It's like that is clearly propaganda and even if it did happen why is it news?!??? It's like running the bucktoothed japanese bugs bunny to mock them during WW2.

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sprite_sponsorship t1_ja04bzp wrote

Foreign disinformation? Most disinformation comes from our own government. Remember #Russiagate?

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Julio_Gustavo t1_j9zxut1 wrote

Sorry, good concerned person, I am going to disagree. We need to have faith in people to engage in conversation and figure out, "Oh wait, I am being hoodwinked." I don't care whether they are being manipulated because corporate media is manipulating us constantly.

Once we get into dangerous ideas of how we should regulate free speech, whether funded by outside organizations or not, then that is when we are no different than them.

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nooblevelum t1_ja00o5w wrote

You are a left wing authoritarian wanting to restrict free speech. Don’t want government deciding what is misinformation

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WickedDemiurge t1_ja032cz wrote

Neither do I. However, unregistered foreign agents should be strictly forbidden. They're just a more boring version of spies, which all reasonable agree should be illegal.

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If you aren't personally taking money from foreign agents to run influence campaigns, this won't affect your ability to say crazy stuff even a little.

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Julio_Gustavo t1_ja04alt wrote

What about corporate media, which makes millions from adverts from Big Pharma, and kept completely quiet while much of the Industrial Mid West was wracked by Opiod related deaths. Or when corporate media influenced the entire population to go to war in Iraq, because the government said so? That is a paid entity that misinforms people constantly to serve their purposes. Let's start there before we play 1984 with these "Russian Agents."

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