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Flash_ina_pan t1_j9s433x wrote

Peace talks? Putin knows where to find peace. It's back in Russia behind their own God damned borders

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Dovienya55 t1_j9tffmg wrote

Hmm I seem to recall though that a lot of the early problems Russia had in the war special security action was because they didn't invade in the middle of winter. The ground was too soft for all the heavy vehicles and the inept drivers kept getting stuck so hard they had to abandon them.

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mechanicalcontrols t1_j9siv3h wrote

Here's how I see the peace talks playing out:

Xi: Maybe give Russia what they want and have a ceasefire

Zelenskyy: Fuck that. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

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Available_Ad1130 t1_j9st7ph wrote

Didn’t know Zelenskyy was a Tom Mac Donald fan lol.

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Ipokeyoumuch t1_j9sww89 wrote

Funny thing is that China really doesn't want to acknowledge the annexations and referendums since it is contrary to their One China policy with Taiwan. At the same time they know they are slowly being economically encircled with their actions (aka they antagonized South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, The Philippines, Malaysia, India, etc.) and need a semi-strong ally in the region, which is Russia. At the same time there are some historical claims and tensions with Russia.

That is why China has taken a more ambivalent stance (i.e. abstaining instead of voting for Russia) during most of this conflict than most people realize.

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mechanicalcontrols t1_j9uzve2 wrote

>Funny thing is that China really doesn't want to acknowledge the annexations and referendums since it is contrary to their One China policy with Taiwan.

Actually to the contrary I think China wants nothing more than Russia to succeed to justify China's own desires to annex sovereign nations that were historically their territory.

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Ipokeyoumuch t1_j9v1i6r wrote

Technically, China doesn't want to annex Taiwan per se because they already have the view that they "own" Taiwan. Thus, no annexation needed as Taiwan is just a "rebellious" providence that just so happens not to listen to the CCP. To annex means to acknowledge that Taiwan isn't under China's own control ab initio, thus no One China exists, but rather two Chinas exists., which contradicts their position. Taiwan also has the One China policy as well and as such it becomes a big elephant in the room that doesn't get acknowledged in day to day life unless saber rattling or some political maneuvering is needed.

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mechanicalcontrols t1_j9v5lqx wrote

Okay, but the international community would still view it as annexation so China is praying western aid for Ukraine wanes and Russia keeps the Donbass.

That said, if the Western aid to Ukraine is slow boiling a frog, I can damn near guarantee you the response to an invasion of Taiwan would be more like pan searing a steak.

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ProjectGnova t1_j9tjl08 wrote

Don’t see why Ukraine has any reason to give in.

The longer the invasion goes and more young men are never seen again, the more Putin has a growing target on the back of his head.

Why give that up to just give up a lot of their land. And on top of that, peace with Russia is like a pinky promise and the other guy has both hands behind their back

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WatchandThings t1_j9vikj4 wrote

I think it's more of a gesture from China to encourage NATO nations to start thinking about ceasefire and "peace". For Ukraine to continue fighting they will continously need more military equipment and NATO members are the ones paying for it(in military equipment and lack of gas). China's suggesting the easy way out for the NATO members of calling a truce where it is, which Ukraine would be forced to do if NATO supplies stop.

Of course the obvious issue is that Russia will only use the "peace" time to regroup, rebuild, and relaunch a new attack in few years, so it's a foolish to call "peace" now. Only way to make sure this doesn't happen again is for Russia to gain nothing from this act of aggression and to force them to lose something whether in territory, in reparation cost, and/or removal of leadership. Something to make it clear the act of aggression was not worth it.

Knowing this NATO nations will most likely stand firm behind Ukraine and ignore the Chinese calls for "peace".

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