Good thing he got it though.........................................

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Still worth the risk.

Now 1 in 8.5 million vaccinated in Asia (Im confused about what area they are referencing) have died from the vaccine. How many have died from Covid?

Unlucky man though. Poor guy. No one should do heavy labor directly after causing an inflammation response in their body which is what a vaccine does. Also not after sleep deprivation. That is my non expert anecdotal advice.

Not for him individually but for the 8.5 million vaccinated without a problem it is.

Surprisingly good article that goes into details how the coroner eliminated other factors concerning the deceased other health factors. The deceased was sick with covid the year before, and the coroner accounted for that.

The article also cites numbers of myocarditis in Singapore. 65 cases of myocarditis out of 8.5 million vaccinations administered, and this is the first recorded death, happening about three weeks after the injection.

Sucks, but still worth taking the vaccine.

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Idk how many died in Asia and/or Singapore but yeah, pretty sure millions have died in Asia as a whole.

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>He added that myocarditis could develop as a result of COVID-19 infection itself, citing a published paper that said that a person with a COVID-19 infection had an approximately 16 times higher risk of developing myocarditis compared with a person who did not have a COVID-19 infection.

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No... but some of them would have died of covid without the vaccine for sure. Plus the multitude of other long term effects that people may have suffered.

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This was always a possibility. People are allergic to any number of compounds, some of them fatally.

You have the same odds of dying eating a new random food you've never tried...

I know antivaxxers aren't very smart or good at math, but still thousands times less likely to kill you than covid.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/extreme-acetaminophen-reaction-woman-takes-pill-loses-skin/story?id=9572485

Extreme reactions occur.

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Great here come all the wacko and nutjobs saying see vaccines bad.

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And there is still a higher probability that you will die from primary amebic meningoencephalitis after swimming in fresh water.

I think calling antivaxxers names is a terrible way to open a dialogue where someone could be informed or swayed on their opinion. I have some seriously smart friends (highly educated at the PhD and MD level) who are also "antivaxxers" when it came to covid. Fear, irrational or rational, is a very powerful emotion to overcome. Assuming they are stupid will close any door to conversation you hope to open. So, yes, the information we currently have now is excellent and if you have no contraindications, likely safe. The information/disinformation we had in the beginning was a huge pain to filter through.

If there's anything we learned from this pandemic, it's that in a world where any single event can be turned into a news article and played up to manipulate emotions, constantly thinking in terms of numbers is absolutely vital for determining the difference between fact and fiction.

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It's easy when the 500,000+ who died from the pandemic can't speak

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Yeah, I’m not op but I agree that “stupid” is the wrong to be in the dialogue. I waited a few months for first vax because I wanted to see if one was more efficient, more side effects, how public health responded, etc.

That said, the math is pretty clear on the issue now. It’s been 3 years. Probably safe to say “antivax” if haven’t been vaccinated by now.

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The risk of death from a peanut allergy is 1 in 4.25 million per year. An estimate of the overall vaccine-induced myocarditis rate (which is usually mild-moderate, and very rarely lethal) is 1 in 4.8 million doses.

That's a bit of a rough comparison, but if you're wondering "about how dangerous is the vaccine?" The answer is something safer than eating peanuts.

> I think calling antivaxxers names is a terrible way to open a dialogue

IMO, we need to differentiate laypeople people who went unvaccinated from those who made spreading antivax propaganda their political or financial mission. There's nothing to be gained by opening dialog with those people, and shame is a realistic method to discourage their behavior.

Here's the thing. There were a lot of passively antivax people in 2020... but I'm pretty sure in 2023 this crowd is pretty much exclusively ideologues and grifters.

Exertion and exhaustion are discrete while health is general. It looks to me like this is them calling him healthy like that mattered, and as if to make it seem more shocking.

I could be "perfectly healthy" and still die of exhaustion without a bunch of inflammation exacerbating the issue.

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And that was totally reasonable in the beginning! Now, yeah, the research is there.

>IMO, we need to differentiate laypeople people who went unvaccinated from those who made spreading antivax propaganda their political or financial mission

Yup! These people are to blame for some unnecessary suffering. These people are shameless. The punishment should be financial. Thats where they feel it.

Gotta love reditt for some downvoted rational opinions. 🤣

Funny you just automatically assume I'm an antivaxxer. Who's not very smart again?

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I didn't say anything antivax related or spread any propaganda about the vaccine. No one cares though, they just want to label ppl and then dismiss them immediately. I obviously wasn't intending to have some grand discourse on it, look at my original reply, but it's still funny that some ppl just go "you're a dumb antivaxxer" b/c that's easy. It's also far from the truth.

>I think calling antivaxxers names is a terrible way to open a dialogue where someone could be informed or swayed on their opinion

Antivaxxers are starting to talk about getting into politics to imprison and punish people who take vaccines.

I seriously doubt they're going to be convinced otherwise.

But they CAN be. Most people like that live in an echo chamber of crazy (that link is just nuts). It's no different than here on reddit. Once someone is not judged for their opinion, they can have a conversation. Once judgment or insults enter the chat, people dig in. At that point, you won't be able to convince them of anything at all. Well, that's my experience anyway. Thanks for the response.

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EpiPen shot resolves a peanut allergy…

Any known way to stave off myocarditis?

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Seek treatment.

87% percent of hospitalized vaccine associated myocarditis cases resolve by discharge. Many more surely go untouched and resolve on their own.

Literally 84 cases didn’t resolve after initial treatment, out of 354,000,000 doses in the study.

I saw a Nature.org article that quoted out of 6.9M vaccinated, 138 deaths were attributed to the vaccine. Of those, only 8 were of high probability due to the vaccine. All they'll see is "8 people died from the vaccine so it for sure will kill ya!" but ignore almost 1M who died without the vaccine because Covid was a hoax?

Point is that it should be a nuanced take. Get the vaccine if you're in the higher risk bracket but there's no reason to do so if you're not. I got it, but it doesn't mean I support EVERYONE getting it.

Have an upvote, cause I use to agree with you. The literal brainless zombies who exist now...no logic, no reasons. They do what the parasite on TV or the radio tells, they don't care if they kill your grandparents or parents, they have no humanity. Maybe there are a few, but I do not have faith in it anymore.

Same people crying about abortion are about to create the largest humanitarian crises in the US in decades when enough babies don't get vaccinated.