Witchgrass t1_j76ebj3 wrote
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Have you considered what the reaction to a move like that might be
kstinfo t1_j76iqsk wrote
Guns are the leading cause of death for children and nobody's doing nothing.
Reaction? Dealers and manufacturers would go nuts. These are the guys who have been profiting from the carnage. They'd be climbing all over each other to implement the strictest background checks, the strictest safety measures, the harshest penalties for abuse, etc.
There's no 2nd Amendment issue here and even this Supreme Court might decide they have no recourse against a State of Emergency. Existing owners and collectors might grumble about slippery slope but no louder than before.
I couldn't find a definitive number of guns legally confiscated in the US but reason would suggest that natural attrition would move us in the right direction.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/30/us/firearm-recoveries-gun-violence/index.html
The fact is there are more guns in private hands in the US than anywhere else in the world. The result is there are more gun deaths in the US than anywhere else in the world. Americans are clearly not mature enough to handle the responsibility.
It's not much, it's not immediate but it's something.
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Witchgrass t1_j77s5yk wrote
Actually they are right about that. Guns are the leading cause of death for children ages 0-18 per the report the CDC released a few days ago (I think someone else linked it down below). Second is automobile accidents and third is suffocation.
kstinfo t1_j77ed0n wrote
Guns now the leading cause of death for US children, CDC says
https://www.foxnews.com/us/guns-leading-cause-death-children-cdc
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Witchgrass t1_j77t5mv wrote
I’m 34 and I consider 18 and 19 year olds teenagers. Here’s some more sources if anyone is interested.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/guns-leading-cause-death-children-cdc.amp
I don’t agree with most of what they posted. But they are definitely right about gun deaths being the leading cause of death for younger folks. 2020-2022 saw a huge increase in gun violence, apparently.
The CDC Wonder tool is a great resource where you can get more info on this topic.
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kstinfo t1_j77gwjn wrote
There are plenty of "arms" citizens are not allowed to buy.
Just who is going to start and fight your civil war?
Unlawful_Opinion t1_j77jy6b wrote
>There are plenty of "arms" citizens are not allowed to buy.
and that itself is a violation of the 2nd amendment and our natural rights.
"Shall not be infringed" cannot be much clearer but there are still millions of people who think there is room for restriction
banning the sale of guns entirely is something that, for one, almost every state and local government in the country would refuse to enforce. Two, would cause riots around the country. And three, the federal government doesn't even have the power to do that. It was designed that way from the very beginning
kstinfo t1_j77p5k0 wrote
And you skip over the well regulated militia part.
Unlawful_Opinion t1_j77z4w3 wrote
because that is a separate clause, meant in this case to give an example of how the individual right protected in the amendment could be exercised.
Supreme Court Ruling:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
"The second amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes."
If you still aren't sure what the original intentions of this amendment were then here are a few quotes from founding fathers, particularly those who were supportive of a bill of rights at the time:
"To disarm the people ... is the most effectual way to enslave them."
-George Mason
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” – Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, January 9–February 5, 1788
“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
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kstinfo t1_j77ik28 wrote
That's pretty unspecific. You mean the, for example, the Texas National Guard against the FBI or the US Army. I know who my dollar would be on.
And you? Are you going to sign up? Or are you going to fight the fight from behind your keyboard?
Unlawful_Opinion t1_j77lxed wrote
>And you? Are you going to sign up? Or are you going to fight the fight from behind your keyboard
I mean, you are the one calling for the federal government to do the dirty work and lock down on peoples freedoms nationwide. Can't be less self aware than that
kstinfo t1_j77qmno wrote
" calling for the federal government to do the dirty work "
Yup. That's its job. In the Preamble, condensing the reason for everything that follows, the government's aim and intent is to "establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense".
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kstinfo t1_j77op8y wrote
My way is to protect individuals and children from senseless murder. I have no regrets.
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kstinfo t1_j77ebis wrote
Guns now the leading cause of death for US children, CDC says
https://www.foxnews.com/us/guns-leading-cause-death-children-cdc
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