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po0rBastard t1_ja5q87z wrote

Fuck thats straight indoctrination! My heart goes out to any and all families affected by this.

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CaBBaGe_isLaND t1_ja5xurl wrote

>"the borders of Russia end nowhere"

(laughs in NATO)

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TwoFrontHitters t1_ja62j1e wrote

Not so easy to brainwash adults though. These poor kids were stolen and trafficked.

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Bunch_of_Shit t1_ja6cgz1 wrote

Jesus Christ, there is no limit to the evil of Russia. Russias supporters, especially when they live comfortable lives like here in the US, make me want to fucking vomit.

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Squirrel_Master82 t1_ja6jaly wrote

"Thank you, Russian soldier, for saving me from your unprovoked attacks. I'm so thankful that you were there to save me from you" (The crowd erupts in thunderous applause)

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TBSchemer t1_ja6oe4t wrote

You do what you have to to survive.

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AustinLurkerDude t1_ja6oknq wrote

Wow this article is straight from some horror flick. The part about avoiding dead bodies while searching for food in a bread factory heartbreaking.

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boringhistoryfan t1_ja6qpgm wrote

Unfortunately I can't blame the parents for going along with this. If you and your children are in Russian custody, what else would you do? It's not like the Russians are above straight up kidnapping or even killing the kids. Even if they were the staunchest anti Russians, I doubt they had a choice here. There's a reason Russia is using kids and not adults for these displays. Easy to threaten both, whereas a captured adult might still go rogue. Confused and terrified kids aren't likely to, and their parents will be too concerned for the safety of their babies to risk anything either. Any parent would.

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FeuerroteZora t1_ja6vb4j wrote

Replying to boringhistoryfan (#2,048,439)

That's not even getting into the fact that they've abducted tons of kids without their parents and are evidently "re-educating" them - some of these kids might be in that situation, without even a parent for safety. Of course they're going to do what they're told.

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thedarthvander t1_ja6vww9 wrote

I’m starting to realize that Putin is a fucking monster

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MOTUkraken t1_ja70drj wrote

We are literally living in 1984. „I love big brother“

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loopsygonegirl t1_ja70kiq wrote

Replying to boringhistoryfan (#2,048,439)

> what else would you do?

I think quite some people would naively answer this question with 'I would fight'. The whole gun ownership logic in the US is based on that rational. From the safety we are in, it is quite easy to imagine we will be brave and resist. But in the end of day most of us (at least I know I will be) are cowards with just the will to survive/live, even if it means betraying ourselves/country.

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boringhistoryfan t1_ja70r1g wrote

Replying to loopsygonegirl (#2,050,308)

Thing is, i can still imagine them saying that if it was just adults. Indeed many did. But once you have kids? And the occupying power can threaten those kids?

Even if the parents are eager to fight, hate collaborating... I can't hate them for it. They aren't the ones facing risk here. Their kids are too. "I would fight" is that much harder to say when your child is also in the power of the one you want to fight. When that power can threaten to kidnap or murder your child as much as you.

I imagine most parents, if forced to choose between their country and their children will choose their children. And I would never blame them for it

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GeekFurious t1_ja7132h wrote

This may surprise some people but... it's possible that everyone talking to the press about this story thinks they are 100% correct about their assessment. Because there may very well be "good people" on the Russian side who, after Mariupol fell under Russian control, "helped" the family and showed them kindness.

Not everyone in Putin's murder machine is a cold-hearted Soviet Union wannabe. And so, when shown kindness, people who have suffered may truly believe they are now "on the right side."

OR, possibly and simply, the parents did what they felt they needed to do in order to keep their kids alive.

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Leading_Ad9610 t1_ja75sqp wrote

Replying to FeuerroteZora (#2,049,321)

Also remember Russia has a fucking huge population gap in the 20-45 bracket…. Like seriously low… they’re abducting and re-educating kids to fill that void. Pretty much a lot of people born in the 70’s to 80’s fucked off real fast when the iron curtain fell… and they never really recovered… who knows what this war will do to that bracket now… you could be looking at the only way Russia has to persevere it’s population…

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LordOfThePinkyRings t1_ja7bqa7 wrote

Replying to gozba (#2,050,425)

No, people are saying it’s the best flute, the greatest construction, and played with the most skill ever seen on earth. People come up to me all the time with tears in their eyes, asking if I’ve heard this amazing flute.

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passinghere t1_ja7d1m8 wrote

Replying to Squirrel_Master82 (#2,047,065)

Yeah how fucking insane is it that anyone believes this propaganda / indoctrination

.....Oh thank you so very much for saving us from being killed because you were the ones bombing and killing us... FFS they could have saved millions more simply by not doing anything in the first place and not starting their illegal war

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clovisx t1_ja7hjrc wrote

Replying to stout936 (#2,050,071)

If you’d told 1990s me that we’d come to a point where the Republican Party and American conservatives were openly schilling for Russia and strongman, pro-authoritarian/proto-fascist leaders like Putin, Orban, Kadyrov, Lukashenko, etc… I wouldn’t have believed you.

I grew up at the end of the Cold War, saw the Berlin Wall come down, and caught the end of the proxy war in Afghanistan. Russia was “the enemy” and the authoritarian, Communist regime they represented was bad. Now we’ve got Putin who wants to be president/dictator for life, suppress rights and freedoms, and hates America. The conservatives, who wouldn’t have been caught dead saying anything good about the USSR, are openly praising his strongman posturing and the iron fist he tries to run his country with.

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loopsygonegirl t1_ja7i05x wrote

Replying to boringhistoryfan (#2,050,333)

That is my whole point? When it comes to right to bear arms, the argument 'I need it against arbitrary government/a tyranny' is often used. And that is the whole problem I am pointing out. I don't think those/most people take into account that a tyrant government will go after your kids (or you as a person for that matter), making it very hard to actually pick up arms. Like I said, it is easy to claim something when you are not in danger. We all imagine to be heros from the safety we are in, but when it really comes down to that moment I doubt most of us are those heros.

I don't understand where the 'I can't hate them for it' part comes from and I prefer to leave it out. I am just explaining why it is normal and human to do it like that... taking a hate into any discussionis so polarizing.

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Mythosaurus t1_ja7lxsf wrote

Replying to DonnerMcgregor (#2,050,046)

Reminder that no other US President or politician has ever whipped up a mob to storm Congress and disrupt the peaceful transition of power.

People that can’t see the dangerous precedents of Trump are… brainwashed.

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fish_on_dude t1_ja7tdu2 wrote

Is it weird that she thanked a cosmonaut, or is "Yuri Gagarin" a common name?

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Nonbinary_Tea t1_ja7utvh wrote

I wonder how long it will be before uprising in Russia

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Squire_II t1_ja8ctxj wrote

Replying to TwoFrontHitters (#2,043,811)

> Not so easy to brainwash adults though.

The QAnon movement, among others, shows otherwise. Just show things close to a person's belief and then keep ramping up as they go down the rabbit hole. Jordan Petersen has been a gateway drug to right wing extremism for years (even before he went full mask off).

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Beard_o_Bees t1_ja8fp9a wrote

Replying to clovisx (#2,053,374)

Right there with you. Solid GenX here.

Lately i'm just fucking speechless at the pro-Russian spew from the GOP.

Like, they've openly said - for fucking decades - that their goal is to destabilize and destroy as much of America as possible. Last I checked, that's still their perhaps largest geo-political aspiration.

Not to mention Putin has been nothing if not consistent in his desire to watch us burn. I sincerely believe that he's capable of 'pushing the button' taking us all out rather than being perceived as a failure on the world stage.

He's fucking dangerous in a way that's too often missed because he doesn't shout and pound tables.

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Trance354 t1_ja8fpz7 wrote

Replying to boringhistoryfan (#2,048,439)

Parents aren't there. These are the kidnapped kids. If you were wondering what happened to them, you can stop wondering.

I'd very much guess there are more kids behind the stage with guns to their heads. "Do what we tell you or your new BFF is dead, and it'll be your fault."

Putin blew up his own people to get into power, what's a few more foreign kids' blood on his hands?

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SimpleSyrupLime t1_ja8mvo9 wrote

Replying to Leading_Ad9610 (#2,051,130)

I feel like that’s a stretch. Even if losses were 300,000, and then maybe a million left the country not to participate in the war, that would probably only half of a percentage point of the population of that age group

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Chasmerm t1_ja8wc18 wrote

Right now, it’s like the whole world is misunderstanding every assignment, all at once.

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serrol_ t1_ja97fv9 wrote

Replying to passinghere (#2,052,443)

They're Russian. Romney tried warning everyone and he was laughed at. Plenty of people before him brought up just how bad Russia was, but everyone continued to say, "blame the government, not the people," as if the people were perfect and moral.

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cry_havyc t1_jaaa6lp wrote

Replying to oldgeek123 (#2,066,750)

Rape is a prevalent form of hazing in Russian Military too.

“Dedovshchina encompasses a variety of subordinating and humiliating activities undertaken by the junior ranks, from doing the chores of the senior ranks, to violent and sometimes deadly physical and psychological abuse, not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or torture, including sexual torture and anal rape. There have been occasions where soldiers have been seriously injured or killed.”

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aynhon t1_jaaf2i5 wrote

Replying to Intelligent-Parsley7 (#2,052,399)

"They told me, you know, they said to me, "Here's the pan flute." Folks, I'm telling you, I couldn't believe it. I looked at it, I couldn't believe it. There's the flute; where's the pans? Here's a pan flute with no pans on it! Do I blow it? People, do I rub it? Do I blow it?

So I go and I play the flute, and I tap a finger on it and I blow it and it sounds beautiful. The best, folks. The very best sound. They told me that no one ever played the pan flute like that. Never before, everybody. Special. They called it special. I'm the special pan fluter. What do they say is the sound? Flooting? Not farting! Not farting, folks! That's Slick Willie Dee, am I right? That's Slick Willie Dee farting!!"

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