Reneeisme t1_j74hk09 wrote
Plenty of kids are homeschooled because the parent does not agree with the culture at large on issues of racism, sexism, the place of religion, or the rule of law. They want their children to never hear any philosophy or truth they don't personally embrace, and it's usually the people who hold very fringe beliefs, who are so committed to ensuring that, that they are willing to jump through hoops to homeschool. Plenty of that guy's customers sought that material out and will go right back to making sure their kids are learning pro-Nazi garbage from someone else. It was not an accident that he was providing that material, and I bet if normal thinking people took a look at almost any homeschooling curriculum, they would be shocked at what it's permissible to tell kids is "true" in the guise of alternative or home education.
SaltyBarDog t1_j74ixig wrote
What is that Duggar thing, "School of the Dining Room Table?"
ExpiredExasperation t1_j76k6ar wrote
Apparently one of the kids went to somewhere in Europe for her honeymoon... Her education left her so well prepared for the world that she was completely baffled by foreign things like fondue and... sparkling water.
monsterlynn t1_j76x70n wrote
I knew of a homeschooling family where the ten year old didn't know her parents full names or her address.
Homeschooling needs to be regulated and monitored.
SaltyBarDog t1_j77r3fk wrote
When I was married, we discussed home schooling because we lived in an area that still had many traitor statues and we weren't all together trusting of the schools. However, I have engineering degree and wife chemistry/toxicology degrees, so I think we could handle it.
JennJayBee t1_j74pph6 wrote
>almost any homeschooling curriculum
I would modify that with any religious based curriculum. Secular homeschoolers are still outnumbered, but there's enough that companies are creating a ton of content to market to them, and there's a nice variety of curriculum that covers a wide range of learning styles for them to choose from. These are often parents of children with special needs or who live in underperforming school districts.
If you want to look and pick them apart, BookShark puts some nice (albeit expensive) curated kits together. Saxon math, not to be confused with the "Saxons" in the above article, is pretty widely used. Khan Academy is a widely used free option. Pandia Press has some excellent secular history and science curriculum. Blossom & Root is a great early education option. And that's just a small sampling.
DankDuke t1_j7589sz wrote
It just seems like it depends on what the parent wants the kid to become.
morbidbutwhoisnt t1_j75btax wrote
The only people I've known to dedicatedly homeschool their children despite any outside forces such as jobs getting in the way were secular antivaxxers, like anti-vax before covid.
We won't pretend like there's no issues in religious homeschooling (obviously) but we also shouldn't pretend like there's no issues in secular homeschooling either.
(I say dedicated homeschoolers because I do know those who had the spouse free to homeschool or friends that would do so if they could economically. I know people who still prefer at home traditional schooling for their kids now since it become an option. But you know. Those that would quit their jobs without adequate support from their partners income just to homeschool their kids)
Other_Meringue_7375 t1_j75onwx wrote
They homeschooled their children so that their child wouldn’t have to get vaccinated?
It’s interesting how antivaxxers ten years ago were mostly progressives
morbidbutwhoisnt t1_j75ozvp wrote
It really wasn't "progressives" as people use it now, but most people who were anti-vax were not due to religion until recently.
They were not conservative republicans that were anti-vax in society generally at the time but most of those folks didn't like the idea of one government insurance either for example.
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DankDuke t1_j7583qa wrote
As much as I agree with you, if I had a kid in a U.S. state like that and was unable to move because of economic reasons, I might homeschool my kid just to make sure they know about CRT....And history.... maybe math too. Fuckin A, it feels like the education system is being systematically dismantled.
Yo_Just_Scrolling_Yo t1_j76pzsx wrote
Yep, it's been going on for years and liberals (or whatever you want to call us - good or bad) feel like we have been screaming into an abyss. I'm old and tired. Not sure how long my friends and I can continue and we make no progress. We are in Florida.
Reneeisme t1_j76vanw wrote
You can teach them those things yourself though. I agree that public education is under attack, but as a parent you can supplement as long as public school curriculum is only omitting important things (and they obviously always are, because they are teaching to a commonly agreed upon pool of knowledge that is never going to include everything your kid should know) It’s only a serious problem if they are teaching untruths as fact and doing it extensively. Which is what far right homeschoolers perceive to be happening in public school.
Homeschooling makes sense when you think public school is teaching your kid a lot of things that are wrong AND you don’t want them to develop the habit of questioning the knowledge they are given. You don’t want then to be in the habit of thinking about what they learn and deciding what is true. You have to both disagree with what they’ll be taught and not want them to hear that people can have other opinions.
My kids had teachers with a far right bias who told them all sorts of horseshit as “fact” but they weren’t harmed by that because they brought it home and discussed it with me, and with their friends and with other teachers. They learned how to sift through bullshit to form and strengthen their own opinions. My kids had a solid foundation from me that was improved by everything they heard from their various teachers, right and wrong, because all of it taught them to think and question and seek out information and come to independent, well thought out conclusions. I will agree though that if I lived somewhere where everything they taught my kids was patently wrong, homeschooling would have more appeal, but I doubt that’s often the case, UNLESS you think a huge number of things our culture accepts are “wrong”. (Like racial and sexual equality, man’s place in nature, the role of government in legislating sexual freedom, bodily autonomy and sexual identity, etc)
If your goal is simply to create unthinking people who do as they are told and never question your worldview, you don’t expose them to anyone else’s views whether you agree with them or not. You seek out curriculums that echos your “alternative” worldview and you never suggest to them that there are any other valid opinions on the matter. Ie: you homeschool them.
monsterlynn t1_j7718ci wrote
Sometimes, though, the kid is just really really smart and good at learning and the school system doesn't have the resources to provide them with a meaningful education.
It's not a common thing, but it is a legitimate reason to homeschool.
Reneeisme t1_j77j9us wrote
Yes, as is legitimate medical need (a kid who can't afford to be exposed to typical childhood illnesses, for example). There are reasons to homeschool. There are not nearly as many as there are kids who are homeschooled.
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Qlinkenstein t1_j779mp7 wrote
I had a 15 year old kid work for me last year and I had to teach him how a tape measure worked.
"If I tell you to cut something 10 feet long or 120 inches it is the same thing. If I tell you give me a 2x4 that is 5 and a half feet long, find the 5 foot mark and add 6 inches."
He couldn't figure it out, no matter how many times or how much I showed him. I eventually had to let him go because he fucked up so much lumber that was effectively paying him more than my head carpenter. When I suggested that he focus on math, he told me his mom and dad weren't good at math either. Good thing they decided to home school him...
Reneeisme t1_j77j1qx wrote
I get involved with kids like this at the college level and that's exactly the sort of "difficult to bridge" gaps in learning that I see across the board. I spoke to one kid years ago after he was kicked from his university class for repeatedly copying from others on tests and even worksheets. I'm not sure, but it seemed like he'd never produced work on his own, his entire educational career to that point. He was homeschooled and the parent would apparently mostly do the work and then he'd just copy it. I guess they thought he'd absorb it by copying it, but what he absorbed was the idea that he'd just always be expected to copy. The idea of knowing enough to actually produce something himself, instead of just copying someone, seemed foreign to him. I don't know how to help a kid who has so fundamentally missed out, but he dropped out so I don't know what would have happened had we tried. I hope he got a job somewhere, but I don't know how.
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