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jjwalker67 t1_j33boay wrote

Not useless at all you know many dumbasses I sit behind who just sit there at a red light when they can make a right turn after they stop.

Then, again, those same dumbasses probably wont be reading the sign. 😂

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OMGSpeci t1_j33fl3y wrote

See, what I was imagining was somebody not stopping at all, just hauling ass through the right turn

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remarkability t1_j37m759 wrote

Turning right on red is merely an option given to the driver at the intersection, not a requirement. Some don’t feel comfortable making a conflicting turn, and that’s ok. They might also have seen a hazardous situation that you don’t.

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jjwalker67 t1_j37ye17 wrote

There’s nothing conflicting about it. You stop make sure its clear then you go. If one is uncomfortable about it then perhaps more training is needed.

Curious where is the statute saying it is an option?

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remarkability t1_j382u03 wrote

by conflict, I mean that the turn itself logically conflicts with pedestrians/bicyclists/perpendicular vehicle traffic going across the intersection on their green light, and potentially also people in the parallel crosswalk finishing their movement.

The statute is here: https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2021/title-39/section-39-4-115/

Turning right (on green or red) requires that:

  1. the driver intends to turn
  2. the intersection is controlled by a signal or officer
  3. proper care is taken to prohibit accidents by the driver

Additionally, if the light is red, it is required for the driver to:

  1. not turn if there is a sign disallowing a turn on red
  2. come to a full stop
  3. observe traffic in ALL directions
  4. yield to vehicles traveling in the direction of the turn
  5. stop and remaining stopped for pedestrians crossing the roadway in a marked or unmarked crosswalk
  6. make the turn from and to the rightmost part of both roads unless posted otherwise.
  7. Only then shall they proceed to make a turn.

First, a driver can choose to not intend to turn right until there's a green light. Second, a driver is required to take proper care to prevent accidents and observe traffic in all directions, yielding to vehicles and pedestrians. Turning right on red is inherently more dangerous than proceeding on a green signal. They might observe traffic and take proper care longer than you'd do it, and might consume the entire red light depending on their judgment, and that's ok.

Both of these happen in time before the "shall proceed" section.

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jjwalker67 t1_j38639y wrote

First, I appreciate you taking the time to post this. However I still don't find it appropriate to sit there and hold up traffic because one feels uncomfortable. Get training.

An uncomfortable driver is a dangerous driver. Reminds me of a comment I left about some driver testing locations in NJ do this on a closed circuit! Simple ridiculous.

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