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tryinghardtolive92 t1_iy3lj4j wrote
He made sense tho and back it up with facts etc so i couldn't be mad
MerWinterCakeGiants t1_iy3lsjx wrote
Probably not a city but a small town in south Jersey (Deep South) or north east Jersey.
Town I grew up in was basically owned by one family.
UnguentSlather t1_iy3ltub wrote
LOL The pot talking shit about the kettle https://www.texasobserver.org/corrupt-texas-politicians-face-little-accountability/
tryinghardtolive92 t1_iy3lwms wrote
I think most are south by philly and the other half is north jersey newark, Elizabeth, paterson for sure
biz_reporter t1_iy3lzy1 wrote
And I always thought Illinois is the most corrupt state simply because most governors ended up in jail and the same family ran Chicago for like 50 years.
tryinghardtolive92 t1_iy3m2sg wrote
Me too but most mayor's from NJ have a long repeating history of corruption
theirishcannoli t1_iy3mamd wrote
The only non corrupt politician is a dead politician.
CapeManiac t1_iy3mdy0 wrote
“Facts” huh?
invaderjif t1_iy3n2qd wrote
Blagojevich!
Edit- he wasn't a governor, but he was interesting to watch on the news cycles then. A great case study on why when your lawyer says stfu, you stfu.
Miraculous_Heraclius t1_iy3nci8 wrote
I'm not sure how you would quantify it, so let's see those facts and maybe we can get a discussion going.
TheRacoonist t1_iy3nghw wrote
>I heard someone from TX ...
Oh, fuck off
LemurCat04 t1_iy3nnj7 wrote
I make it a point of ignoring people from Texas when they are incapable of cleaning up their own house and want to comment on someone else’s. Talk to me about corruption when your Attorney General stops firing whistle blowers and taking bribes.
pe_grumbly t1_iy3okoi wrote
The usual model for measuring corruption in states is per capita convictions of public officials. Generally NJ is indeed among the top 10 states for corruption, it's never been #1 though. That's usually Illinois or Louisiana, sometimes New York or Tennessee.
Astute observers will also note an issue with the metric, if public officials are never caught or convicted of anything, no corruption! (see the article posted below https://www.texasobserver.org/corrupt-texas-politicians-face-little-accountability/ )
Leftside-Write t1_iy3okt3 wrote
Likely the most corrupt isn't a city, but the wealthier suburbs. Many of the smaller towns had mafia or 'other' interest if not involvement.
5footfilly t1_iy3oq3q wrote
Unless you’re equipped with actual facts, how on earth can you assess if what Texas Tim was saying is based on actual facts?
I have no “facts” to back me up but I suspect you may have an agenda here.
Beginning-Type-4217 t1_iy3otcy wrote
all the major citys are corrupt in NJ how do you think they stay blue ? when they do absolutly nothing but steal money for themselves and make things worse for everyone else
Academic-Summer-3438 t1_iy3pkqy wrote
All of them, but Hudson and Essex Counties probably have the highest levels of corruption just due to their proximity to Manhattan
Brilliant_Tourist400 t1_iy3q3v6 wrote
Texas, you produced Ted Cruz. Your argument is invalid.
Miraculous_Heraclius t1_iy3qlhs wrote
Fun read! I was going to chime in with the inexplicable failure to get Attorney General Ken Paxton in a courtroom, but this observer article shows how much broader this lack of oversight goes in Texas
scrubjays t1_iy3sjzn wrote
I have lived in Chicago, and in Albany, and NJ is by far the most corrupt place I have ever been. In each of those places there are very particular places to steal, and ways to do it. In Bergen county there are 70 towns, and 74 school districts and some similar number of police agencies. Each one, plus every public service, is a different opportunity for someone to steal. Whether it is a town worker in Ridgewood stealing $400,000 in quarters from parking meters or the newly elected mayor of Hoboken taking $2500 in a paper bag from a stranger in a diner, NJ corruption is stunning in how common it is, for such small amounts. That the mayor of Jersey city for over 100 years has always served time in prison is just one small bite out of the huge smorgasbord of NJ corruption.
hopopo t1_iy3snm2 wrote
Lakewood. Only town in history of United States with so much corruption an millions of dollars stolen from state and federal social services that State issued blanket amnesty.
Meem-Thief t1_iy3v3sg wrote
On average a clown makes 70,000 dollars a year and here you are doing it for free
PirateForward8827 t1_iy3x376 wrote
Trenton, Newark, and Camden, among others, have a long history of politicians going to jail. And I would guess that most are not caught or charged.
Electronic-Nature114 t1_iy4252h wrote
Weren’t these the people who forgot to WD40 their windmills before winter and froze 90% of the state for a month??
New_Stats t1_iy441fx wrote
Texas's AG is under federal investigation because his former aids accused him of bribery ffs. He's dishonest and corrupt to his core
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New_Stats t1_iy446xl wrote
The difference between NJ and IL and the rest of the country is that we actually punish corrupt officials
CapeManiac t1_iy44ae8 wrote
Lol you think this happens more in nj than the other areas? Why? How?
CapeManiac t1_iy44eid wrote
What’s Texas’ excuse?
scrubjays t1_iy4b7ug wrote
>Why? How?
Here, because of so much local rule. NYC has 1 school district and 1 police system, for 1 million students and 9 million citizens. Bergen county has 74 school districts and 72 police forces for 1 million residents. That is 70 times the number of contracts, negotiations, purchasing dept etc. Each one is a different opportunity to steal. If you just look at the cost of maintaining 70 police chiefs and school superintendents, you can start to see the scale of waste. If you follow the news whenever some local town official goes down for using town services, that is the sort of thing that is really common here and unlikely in other places.
surfnowokgo t1_iy4fe0o wrote
Is this a joke?
Mr_Matt_K t1_iy4fhle wrote
Don't worry, Ken Paxton was easily reelected despite that pesky indictment.
BigAccountant4558 t1_iy4gk5j wrote
Aww why elizabeth
New_Stats t1_iy4hmdq wrote
They sure do love their corruption in Texas,
she said, knowing damn well she voted for Menendez and would fucking do it again if he wins the next primary, God damnit
CapeManiac t1_iy4o39u wrote
NYC police department and DOE hAVE HUGE employee lists and MANY “director” level staff that would exist in other forms if smaller departments or districts existed.
In other words aren’t really any less chances of corruption to happen because they’re still as many people are just about as many people in the process. just look up NYCDOE organizational chart for just one level of insanity.
scrubjays t1_iy4ptm7 wrote
Union contracts. One contract for all the cops, one for all the teachers in NYC. One group of negotiators. In Bergen county, there are at least 140 different contracts for the same thing. 140 groups of lawyers and negotiators, all of whom have to be paid every 3 years. That is one tiny facet of the differences between the systems.
CapeManiac t1_iy4zb3a wrote
The njea has negotiators for the districts, again it may be more efficient and even cost saving to do what you’re proposing but doubtful it reduces “corruption” to any degree.
scrubjays t1_iy50rye wrote
You think that having hundreds and hundreds of places where lawyers and union negotiators meet rather than one might not make for more opportunities for corruption? I am not talking about the water, housing and sewer authorities, all of which also have multiple contracts. NJ politics is set up for ample opportunities for corruption. At one point in the last few decades, NJ had no city over 100,000 people that did NOT have a mayor either indicted or convicted in the previous decade. That does not happen in other states. Don't take my word for it: https://www.nj.com/politics/2017/03/mayors_under_indictment_a_long_jersey_tradition.html
In other states, when the corruption gets too out of hand, they centralize. If you want to steal in New York State, you go to Albany. Here, you don't have to go to Trenton to get your cousin the snow plowing contract, or get your son on the police force when you are the mayor of the town. All this local rule makes so many places for corruption, we are buried in it.
biz_reporter t1_iy6oky0 wrote
Your perspective is interesting. However, I don't think centralization is often the solution. Look to Massachusetts as an example. Corruption at the county level that nearly bankrupted Middlesex County led to the abolishen of 8 counties in the late 1990s and resulted in local tax savings. The remaining counties are mostly centered around Cape Cod and the Islands where most of the towns are unincorporated making the county services important unlike in the rest of the state. Granted, Massachusetts has half as many cities and towns as NJ. Most towns in Mass are physically larger than what you find in Bergen, Essex and Union counties here. Nonetheless, we don't hear many stories about corruption from Massachusetts.
The Washington Post last year listed the 6 most corrupt states, and NJ was 5th. It also shows that mayors and city councils of large cities are just as prone to corruption as little town mayors as evidenced by the Chicago and New Orleans examples in the article. And even mid-size mayors like in Providence, R.I. are capable of gross corruption too. This too proves that centralization does not stop corruption.
I've often wondered if Massachusetts' decision to abolish its counties might save NJ tax payers. I pay as much to my municipal government as I do to my county government. My tax bill would drop by a fourth without it. Though presumably the state would have to pick up county duties, but they could also get rid of the ANCHOR Benefit in exchange for the end of county taxes.
johnnyss1 t1_iy3lecj wrote
Is this a trick question? All of them