You can see some more info about the event here

Thanks for posting this!

I am 100% pro-choice but I'm not sure why there's gonna be a protest for it in New Jersey which is a pro choice state. Like we have the right to abortions here, there's no need to protest here. Go to a state that's pro-life and protest there, that's where we need to show that we need women's rights.

This makes absolutely no difference. Just protesting for the sake of protesting. New Jersey is and always will be a pro choice state.

Well, DeGroot is sending texts saying Sherrill backs the sale of “baby parts,” and every time I go to ShopRite there’s always a car or two with antiabortion stickers.

Maybe they’re statistically the minority, but it’s a reminder to never be complacent. Because these people always vote.

And what do you think should be done to the minority of people in the state who are anitiabortion? They’re always going to exist unfortunately. The protest is just a bunch of people jerking themselves off for brownie points.

Lol, right? And Montclair too, of all places. I suppose visibility still matters, even when preaching to the choir.

Every vote counts, and gotta keep people enthusiastic.

Errr the civil rights act is on the chopping block in the supreme court this week which will curtail methodology to prevent extreme gerrymandering. See what happens after some creative redistricting.

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I can't make the march. But you can count on my vote in every local, state, and federal election for the rest of my life.

It’s ultimately about reminding people to vote. I do hope similar events are planned in Malinowski’s district, since he’s more at risk than Sherrill - if Republicans take the House and Senate, abortion will be banned nationwide with a Republican president.

I am pro choice but think there should be reasonable limits (I.e. no abortions of healthy/viable pregnancies in the 3rd trimester without extreme extenuating circumstances)… would i feel welcome at this March?

This may be a pro-choice state, but if the Republicans control all three branches of the federal government, abortion will be illegal nationwide. And while we’re not voting for president or Senate this year, any House seat that turns red puts the entire country one step closer to a full-on abortion ban.

Good question, I never really gave abortion much thought till my daughters sat me down and gave me a talk.

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A full-on ban is not even supported by a majority of Republicans. Graham recently proposed a 15-week ban on some abortions, not a full-on ban, and such a law puts the US in the same class as most of Europe. Also, our government is so dysfunctional that even the Dems could not pass any meaningful legislation when they controlled all 3 branches, what makes you think the Republicans are somehow smarter and can do it? The only constant in our legislature is nothing gets done, which is why we expect the judicial branch to do things they are not chartered to do.

Misinformation like we are "one step closer to a full-on abortion ban" is counterproductive. It only feeds more emotions which feeds more misinformation. I know I'm asking a lot of Reddit, but try to keep your posts within the realm of truth, and be better than the Republicans.

I remember a year ago when "what if they overturn roe v wade" was met with this same degree of skepticism. Let's be real, they would never do that...

Are we expecting it to be overturned in nj?

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Particularly for those unfamiliar, we need to protect Malinowski’s seat. It is incredibly important if Democrats are to even think about keeping the House majority.

Malinowski is facing a little bit redder district in a redder election year. It’s an uphill battle for him.

They had anti abortion people down on Bloomfield Ave the other day. Wonder if that's what sparked them to do this.

Healthy babies at 3rd trimester usually have names and gifts for them picked out already. By then, their nursery is painted and put together and moms to be are usually attending baby showers. I've never heard of anyone wanting an abortion that late. I'd consider the process at that stage agonizing.

Idk how welcome you'd feel, but there are a lot of personal stories shared at a march like this. In general, pro choice marches can be very upfront and graphic about the subject. Hard to predict who will say what, but i doubt anyone would start hostile or violent. Never seen violence at a pro choice rally.

You're completely entitled to your beliefs. If you support the decision regarding ending a pregnancy being between a pregnant person and their doctor, who would be performing the abortion, you are welcome.

What wouldn't be welcome is someone who would support, or advocate for, laws that take that decision away from a pregnant person and their doctor. Legislating the "extenuating circumstances" that you list is, at best, a very slippery slope. There are very, very few pregnancies that are terminated in the third trimester. If a pregnant person does need one of those, should they have to wait for their doctor to clear it with legal to proceed? If they are even willing to do such a procedure in the first place, for fear of legal or religious retribution? That is why people who support a right to choose don't necessarily accept these types of legislation.

Women in other states are being left with knowing that they cannot even get rid of embryos that, by all intents and purposes, would not survive and be spontaneously aborted in many cases. In which cases, in some states, they would be charged with crimes of the homicide variety, through no fault of their own. That's what this march is about.

I have never met a woman, whether it's a mother, hope to be a mother, or hope to never be a mother, who advocates for these late term abortions like people complain we do. So if you want to support anyone who wants to be pregnant, come. Or anyone who hopes to never be pregnant. Or anyone who doesn't know if they want to be pregnant. If you want to proselytize about how you would like to draw lines, with no knowledge of the individual people who are going through very different situations, stay home.

People aren’t really going into the idiosyncrasies of their ideologies at these things. A lot of people will disagree with you but doubt it will come up.

It’s important to make pro life people uncomfortable even in blue pro abortion states. They need to see the overwhelming support of choice. There are still protests and psychos outside clinics.

This is a good point

Even from a completely unpartisan viewpoint, removal of Roe vs Wade allows states to even try their hand at a federal ban. They couldn't before. So objectively speaking, it absolutely 100% brings us one step closer.

Support this cause. Defeat the Republicans who are dark ages entrenched.

AKA Anti Forced Birth

For fucks sake it says it's a march not a protest. Call it a rally if it makes you feel better. Or do you need to shit in that too?

So in your sad angry little mind people shouldn't attend rallies for anything they support? If they don't do what you think is right or the best way, it doesn't count? What have you done?

Why should that matter? Should people only show up to rally and support causes in specific places you think are important?

Thank you for explaining this. I had an abortion at 18 weeks. My little guy’s heart wasn’t growing correctly. I still have the unused pregnancy announcements and positive pregnancy tests.

No one changes their mind at the last minute. And even so, a doctor won’t perform an abortion unless the health of the mom is at stake.

My first thought.. why we protesting in Jersey?

I assumed we still respected women in this state unlike the confederates scum?

Biden’s first two years defined the most effective Congressional term in decades. Also why should we regress to the likes of Europe? A continent of stingy social conservatives…

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>Biden’s first two years defined the most effective Congressional term in decades.

Can you please point at hard data to prove this, comparing to past terms across decades?

I agree, and thanks- that’s what I was wondering.

I love all the slogans and tongue-in-cheek chants, but since having kids I am oversensitive to certain topics. Seems like I will sit it out and do my protesting at the ballot box.

Hard data…? Biden signed several major and significant bills with a 50-50 Senate and a slim House majority. That is astronomically effective and anyone that says otherwise is either unfamiliar with the workings of Capitol Hill or willingly sticking their hand in the sand.

Trump did not pass this much major legislation. Obama did not pass this much major legislation. Bush Jr. Did not pass this much major legislation. That already covers two decades.

He also appointed 84 federal judges (as in, Senate confirmed) in his first two years (so far). That’s more than Trump, Obama, Bush Jr., Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, and Eisenhower. A bit below Clinton.

Should rebrand the movement as pro freedom. That’ll really get the rights panties in a bunch.

We’re watching republicans to try to ban it federally.

Not to be offensive but, I kinda don't know or care about Montclair!

It's not like that, it's like why not protest in those shitty confederate areas instead?

Not at all lol I was concerned it was in jeopardy and was surprised. Maybe chill out a bit haha

Apologies if I missed something, as I'm going off the top of my head and what I can easily lookup on Wikipedia/etc over the past 1/2 hour... If I am missing something substantial, please say so.

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act - good thing, 100% agree.

CHIPS and Science Act - good idea and good something was passed, but quite underwhelming. $280b is chump change over 10yr. It costs $15-20b and years to just build a single fab, and this gives a measly $40b only towards construction and modernization. This will have some positive impact but in no way a slam dunk.

Inflation Reduction Act - it is about everything except inflation reduction. They simply renamed a climate bill because they were smart enough to know there would be blowback from the all sides of the public for passing a climate bill in the middle of this economic shitshow. It still is generally a good thing but people are too wowed by the sideshow to see what this really was.

KBJ Nomination & Confirmation - good thing.

Honoring our PACT Act - good thing, and is something Trump would never have done without being forced.

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American Rescue Plan - let's be honest, any Dem/Rep president would have passed something along these lines in 2021/post-pandemic. He gets a Participation Trophy for this one.

PPP Extension - Same as American Rescue.

Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act - meaningful, does not do anything to fix our broken country. Participation Trophy.

Juneteenth National Independence Day Act - meaningful, does not do anything to fix our broken country. Participation Trophy

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Not caring about any of the Executive Actions or Orders or Proclamations.

Decently effective, 100%. Astronomically effective? That's a stretch, which is all I'm saying.

My bad. So many people saying this is dumb because it's not in danger in NJ and that's so aside the point.

I know this goes against all rules of the internet, but I'm sorry!

Prepare for them to be there for this. With graphic imagery on signs held by some Gravy Seal with his face and arms covered.

The entire country had the right to abortion for nearly 50 years, and we all got complacent, and now the Supreme Court will be ruling on a case that could abolish states rights. (The only people who cared about those are fully prepared to make the entire country bend to their will permanently.)

Thanks for posting. I’m in town and I never heard about this.

My favorite was the energetic woman standing in front of them counter protesting. She told everyone that walked by, “these guys are idiots.” She seemed to be really enjoying herself.

There’s also the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, first major gun bill in 30+ years (doesn’t matter if we agree with the bill or not). The Inflation Reduction Act is a monumental accomplishment, $700 billion in spending and significant strides forward in climate and healthcare (introduction of Medicare price negotiation, Medicare insulin price cap, etc.). The ARP could only be passed with Biden and a Dem Congress. Republicans did not support $1.9 trillion in spending (a tiny few GOP Senators pitched a measly $600 billion).

My initial point was about effectiveness. In the last decades there was no first term with such a large list of accomplishments. Especially with no wiggle room in the Senate.

Haha fair enough. I understand there’s a lot of shitheads. What is the saying price of freedom is eternal vigilance? So just cause it’s not happening now doesn’t mean it’s not possible later. We all have to be careful

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Probably because we came real close to electing a governor who would have taken it away. We can’t be complacent about this.

If they were at the light by the Wellmont theater, a clinic is across the street. They show up from time to time and have even before the ruling.

If we call it a rally, would that unwad your panties about it? Like everyone has the time to drive to Kentucky to tell a bunch of hillbillies how they feel.

Bipartisan Safer Communities Act - many gun owners support this... want to know why? It changes nothing whatsoever for any legal gun owner. It applies minor tweaks to some small laws and funds a bunch of social programs that barely relate to guns. It simply checks a box that Biden passed a gun law. The B&H Admin are keenly aware that even members of their base are purchasing firearms (women and minorities are the largest groups of new gun owners in past 2 years). Any major legislation or ban would hurt them more than help. This law is another sideshow meant to distract.

Put it this way, during the years leading up to this when Roe V Wade was upheld, did the anti-choice crowd stop having rallies and marches in every state? No.

Like I said, “doesn’t matter if we agree with the bill or not.”

Again, first major gun bill in 30 years. We aren’t arguing the merits of the bill here, just the effectiveness of Biden and the 117th Congress.

I read almost all of the 730 pages of the Inflation Reduction Act so I know that that bill isn’t a “sideshow” as you called it in your previous comment. As for the BSCA, I did not read a single page of it, but I still know it’s the first major gun bill in almost 30 years, no other President in that time managed to pass anything of the sort. 1994 had the assault weapons ban for example. Biden still is considering it a major priority to get a renewed assault weapons ban through the 118th Congress if the Senate majority expands (lol) and if Dems keeps the House (bigger lol). We will see what happens with assault weapons (99% chance of nothing happening).

And as I write this comment, I got notification that Biden has formally confirmed that he is running for re-election in 2024 so there’s a fun little breaking news for you since you’re respectful!

edit: apparently the news broke like 2 hours ago but I just got notified of it… but anyway

Surely this will help NJ

Generally, yeah, you want to protest where it would make a difference instead of just circlejerking the issue

Me, this Saturday.

Where does it say protests?

And even if it did, raising awareness about issues doesnt matter? Protesting only counts in the time and place you think it should matter? GTFOH

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no one asked

Not that Scott DesJarlais, Timothy Murphy, or Herschel Walker (if elected) would follow such ban anyway...

because of this?

Kean won't tell anyone what his objectives are once in office. All his ads are "Tom Malinowski bad". Not a thing about specifics or even a broad overview of his plan.

Damn, wish I could go. I went to a pro-choice protest in Newark a few months ago but the turnout wasn't huge and it got overrun by literal Communists telling people voting is pointless...

I really like this list and how brutally honest it is. With that being said, is it not the most effective in recent decades?

I feel as though that was the original claim.

I wish I was able to attend as I would love to see how many crazies show up to protest this worthwhile event.

I've seen you make this point twice so far, maybe you should consider the possibility that your sarcastic answer is actually right? If you have to keep explaining it over and over, maybe it really would go over better if it were called a rally instead of a protest. A lot of people really don't see the point of protesting for a thing that most people in the area already agree on so how you brand something does actually matter.

Lindsey Graham also claimed that other European countries do this, when in reality they have many, many exceptions and most don’t do that. There were very few exceptions to his proposed ban, even if the pregnancy threatened the mother’s life.

Oh ya that was it. Didn't know there was a clinic there. I was just trying to buy some weed.

Sorry is there somewhere in the state you can't do this?

Unfortunately, with the way the MAGA cultists vote, he doesn't need an actual plan. His policy platform just needs to consist of not being a Democrat.

Yeah that’s because they weren’t getting their way. NJ is already pro choice.

I doubt they’d care what you want to nickname yourselves. The only people with bunched panties seem to be the pro choice crowd who absolutely hate that pro-lifers have that brand.

Ban it *after 15 weeks federally. Somehow you accidentally made it seem like they were trying to fully ban abortion. Whoopsie.

I agree he has been effective, I still think "most effective" is a big stretch. That's the point I'm supporting.

Some of the accomplishments were simply due to the current times and situation. If Orange man had won a 2nd term, there anyway would have been economic packages similar to ARR, CHIPs, etc. Different scale and scope but there would have been something.

IRA is purely a Biden/Dem accomplishment. Mr Orange would have had something immigration/border or domestic energy related.

Huh, interesting point. I like what Biden's administration has done with the Pro act (I wish it could get passed), additionally the Disclose act is a win in my book. That's just my 2 cents.

Thanks for offering your perspective.

How about law makers leave medical decisions between actual doctors and patients. Pretty simple.

You do not seem to be grasping the concept of electing someone to write laws.

“How about all you dang law writers stop writing your dang laws and mind your own business! Who told you to be so nosy!!!”

Where does it say it's a protest?

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im pretty sure kean is pro choice

throughout this whole thread, you've responded to people calling it that twice

You clearly dont know how to read. If you can understand this, have a wonderful day.

LOL, no. The guy literally had a secondary webpage that was completely different than his public facing one. What he says publicly and what he is, much like most Republicans, are two very different things.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220929141520/https://tomkean.com/kean-conservative/

Oh and he also voted against the Freedom of Reproductive Choice Act, so there is that. When a Republicans lips are moving, they are lying.

So basically you just enjoy being a dick. That's okay, carry on.

Ill entertain you for 1 more post because im bored and its almost lunchtime anyway.

1. I did not refer to it as a protest.
2. Neither does the OP.

Good luck if that doesnt help ya.

and yet you're getting pissy with people who do, rather than just saying "yeah, it's not really a protest, it's more of a rally for women's rights" or something. Basically, just being a dick where you don't need to be. Let me know how that works out for you with getting people to side with you on things.

Don't forget to downvote me again to show you how powerful you are!

Isn't abortion already available in NJ?

You seem to lack the understanding that we have the establishment clause written in our constitution that keeps the religion and “beliefs” of those lawmakers, out of our laws.

You’re almost there, buttercup

> You seem to lack the understanding that we have the establishment clause written in our constitution that keeps the religion and “beliefs” of those lawmakers, out of our laws.

It’s adorable that you think the constitution stops people from writing, nominating, and voting for laws according to their beliefs, religious or otherwise.

Our constitution prevents the implementation of a state religion, but absolutely does not prevent laws based on religious, moral, spiritual, or any other belief. Your lack of knowledge when it comes to laws is as expected as your confidence.

Democrats can write any abortion legislation they want according to what they believe. Republicans can do the same. Only difference is that the republicans are the only ones to actually write anything.

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I’m curious what voting is going to do? The democrats hold both chambers and the presidency and still haven’t codified abortion rights.

Preaching to the choir

I just find it ironic that the pro-life people who are literally forcing people to do something brand themselves as pro freedom.

Doesn’t matter even if he were. Kean would vote for McCarthy for Speaker. That means no Dem bills see the light of day and that an abortion ban DOES see the light of day. Doesn’t matter if Kean votes against the bill in the end, if he is part of the Republican Party and helps them win a majority, it’s bad news for abortion rights.

I have never heard a pro life person call themselves pro freedom when it comes to this issue. It’s always about babies being killed to them.

Unfortunately, their hold is not filibuster proof.

Repugnants have enough votes to keep it off the floor.

I’m not simply referring to this issue. Those individuals typically fall to the right on most things and their beliefs are all about protecting freedoms.

Most people have the mental flexibility to have a stance for each issue.

We like to use slogans and cute nicknames, but I find most people saying “I’m pro freedom” are talking about specific freedoms, most people saying “I’m pro choice” are talking about specific choices, and most people saying “I’m pro life” are talking about specific lives.

I would like to think that most people do as well. Unfortunately we don’t here from this people nearly enough.

Bringing sand to the beach

I live near there, it’s a lot more frequently than just time to time. Do these people have jobs?

They had a super majority in 2009 and never codified abortion rights into law.

It wasn't on the table as an issue in 2009. Unfortunately z nobody saw this happening then, it was considered a "done deal" it was more about gay marriage and healthcare.

Ok. I fully comply to your statement

Shoot, I missed this! I forgot to make a reminder on my calendar. Was there a good turn out?