lost_in_life_34 t1_jef1twz wrote
Reply to comment by rockmasterflex in These NJ counties saw the largest population drop as residents migrate to other areas by madrid987
Most likely college age kids leaving to go to school elsewhere
sutisuc t1_jefnp1t wrote
Yup we are the largest exporter of college age kids to other states. Not a great look
rockmasterflex t1_jefoxkx wrote
Why would that be a bad look? It has little to do with our schools and everything to do with young adults wanting to experience life literally anywhere else than their parents chose to sow roots because rebellion.
sutisuc t1_jefp2ki wrote
That’s quite an assumption to make, what are you basing that on? Why aren’t other states doing it more than us?
rockmasterflex t1_jefrgq9 wrote
Other states are generating less college students period. Unless you break everything down and normalize it by population and density and demographics these numbers tell you nothing
sutisuc t1_jefrw2b wrote
Less total college students? Or per capita? Can you share some sources to back up your claims?
rockmasterflex t1_jefsr5p wrote
There’s not gonna be one source that can outline all the socioeconomic and geographic complexities that goes into “how people graduating from high school pick colleges” but here’s some (old) data around high school graduation rates and enrollment in a college anywhere across all the states http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/index.php?submeasure=63&year=2010&level=nation&mode=data&state=0
sutisuc t1_jeftnvs wrote
Looks like New York sends a similar amount of kids to college (when you adjust for their population compared to ours). How come so many New Yorkers stay in state compared to us? Less rebellious kids?
rockmasterflex t1_jeftzuk wrote
Young adults want to go to schools with night lives. NYC is right there!
NYC: many schools, “top” city in the US according to many, tons of nightlife
NJ: nobody wants to be in Newark. New Brunswick is okay…. And wait what big colleges do we have in cities outside Newark? Oh right all the ones in… NYC… which is not in NJ
sutisuc t1_jefukph wrote
New York is on the list but ranks lower than PA and DE. This also gets into the main reasons kids leave the state: cost. It’s more expensive to go to in state schools here than it is to go to a lot of private schools in other states. You really have to actually do some research before assuming.
rockmasterflex t1_jefuuc5 wrote
How do you figure? If you commute in state it can’t possibly be cheaper to move out of state to go to school. State school rate in NJ is pretty dang affordable until you add in housing
sutisuc t1_jefv1ay wrote
I figure by actually researching a topic before formulating an opinion on it. Try doing it and you’ll be able to do the same
sutisuc t1_jefuweu wrote
DE is famously an urban Mecca. Gtfo out of here
lost_in_life_34 t1_jefu94t wrote
NY has a huge state university system, NYC has a huge city university system, there is NYU and a bunch of other schools in NY
sutisuc t1_jefuspt wrote
Yup you got it. It’s also much cheaper to go to those schools in state than it is to go to the equivalent schools in state in NJ. The schools in NY are much better than the equivalents in NJ too. This guy is just going off of vibes to form his opinions lol
LarryLeadFootsHead t1_jegmnzw wrote
Correct answer and I don’t get why people arguing with you. You gotta be out of your mind or have the Stockholm syndrome of the RU screw that as a whole “state schools in NJ are cheap”.
You’re right in bringing up merits of SUNY system, there’s a lot of conventionally good schools there that don’t exactly break the bank as bad.
Idk I get state pride and all that but yeah there’s more out there.
sutisuc t1_jegnig9 wrote
Yeah it’s truly baffling but this guy is just making idiotic arguments based on his own feelings so I don’t put much weight in it anyway. And agreed I love NJ but there’s no sense in papering over our issues and pretending they’re not a thing. How else are we gonna improve them otherwise?
OscarThePitBull t1_jefv6m8 wrote
No man it’s a bad look. These kids leave and some don’t come back. Strikes me as total folly that we don’t do more to retain them in state. Highly educated college graduate young people are the most productive people in the country from an ROI stand point.
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