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ArticulateSilence t1_jdqemu6 wrote

Reply to comment by analhunter_RIPyoass in Israeli activists protesting Moshe Koppel, founder of the Kohelet Forum - the think tank behind Netanyahu’s judicial overhaul - while he spoke at the East Hill Synagogue in Englewood today by Artane_33

The region was majority Jewish before Palestinians existed.

How do you choose who has a right to the land?

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newjerseytoughguy t1_jdqfjy7 wrote

cool, you will be the first to give up your property/land to lenape natives then?

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ArticulateSilence t1_jdqfpf5 wrote

Never said anyone has to give up land....just saying that Palestinians are "natives" is a dumb argument. The situation is complex and people like the OP do it no favors by trying to paint it in black and white

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ra3ra31010 t1_jdqzgyy wrote

Someone would be infuriated reading a Palestinians DNA test results……

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analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdsajtb wrote

>never said anyone has to give up land

they are giving up land though, when palestine was partitioned, jews were 1/3 of the population and owned 7% of the land, the only district in which they were a majority was jaffa. but in the partition plan they got more than half the land. today someone who has no ties to the land but converts to judaism can emigrate to israel, no questions asked but the arabs who were expelled during the nakba, whose families have lived there for generations cannot go back to their homes.

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analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdqj22n wrote

it hasn’t been majority jewish since the 4th century when constantine the roman emperor embraced christianity. by the 5th century, the jewish population was 10-15%. even when palestine was partitioned in 1947, after numerous aliyahs and emigration under the ottomans and the british, the jewish population was around 30%.

the people that have lived there over the millennia are now arab. if you wanna apply your logic and give people back the lands that they lived in around 2000 years ago, all white people should go back to europe. both north and south america have been more recently settled by europeans compared to how long there hasn’t been a jewish majority in palestine.

take england for example, it was conquered by the danes in the 11th century (cnut defeated aethelred the unready and ultimately became king of england, norway and denmark). should we do genetics testing on every englishman and send back anybody with scandinavian dna? dont forget the normans who invaded and conquered england in the 12th century (william the conqueror defeated harold ii). the same goes for every country in the world. the aryans migrated to india around 2000 BC from what is now Iran and central asia, the original natives were dark skinned. should every light skinned indian (which is a lot of northern india) be sent back to iran? why this special treatment for israel?

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ra3ra31010 t1_jdqz9ns wrote

Let’s take it further and just say every human should go back to Africa with this argument too

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analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdsx4bx wrote

if we go back far enough you could make that argument lol. all i’m saying why do we choose that time period (first few centuries AD) to determine the inhabitants of a land for all eternity.

according to historical and religious sources, moses was likely born in egypt around the 13-14th century BC. he then led the israelites to what was then canaan, and what is now israel/palestine/jordan and killed the people that lived there. so if we set that period to say another 1500 years back, then the jews really belong in egypt and not israel.

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