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Artane_33 OP t1_jdp7j76 wrote
12 weeks of 200K+ people protesting would suggest there isn’t a popular mandate
Special_FX_B t1_jdp8np2 wrote
Correct, but in this country we tend not to protest the shitty things the fascists are doing here.
zoicyte t1_jdrnboc wrote
So what does it mean when there are 12 weeks of 200k protestors then
Special_FX_B t1_jds2ug9 wrote
In Israel it remains to be seen.
LV1024 t1_jdpn9yj wrote
Israel has been a fascist and apartheid state since its inception.
Fryceratops t1_jdqgfen wrote
You need to learn what constitutes "fascism" if you honestly believe that. The conservatives in Israel are toying with fascism right now but at no point have they ever had a fascist government.
__Vylan t1_jdpqjz7 wrote
Yeah but they don't protest when the apartheid and fascism benefits them.
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analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdqbneq wrote
my government oppresses the natives: i sleep
my government takes away my freedoms: real shit
they’re protesting against the overhaul of a judicial system that has consistently justified evicting palestinians from their land, a slap on the wrist for killing innocent palestinians and a bunch of other apartheid bs that helps maintain the and even advance the colonization project.
the israeli army designates palestinian land where people live as a military firing zone, the people attempt to get justice from israeli courts (the country that’s currently occupying them, what a joke lol), the courts tell them to fuck off, they get evicted and later zionists build ‘settlements’ on that land.
also 5000+ people showed up in teaneck to support israel back in 2021 when they were bombing the hell out of gaza.
Fryceratops t1_jdqgnl0 wrote
They are protesting overhauls of the government that make the executive vastly stronger for no other purpose than to prevent Bibi from being held accountable for corruption.
analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdscqsj wrote
that’s one aspect among a couple other changes. they also prevent the supreme court from overruling laws/bills that the knesset has passed. israeli politicians have been complaining for a while now that the lawmakers who have been elected by a majority shouldn’t be bogged down by people who they say are a elite minority that don’t represent the populace. they want a greater say in selecting judges like we do in the us.
for what’s it worth, i think netanyahu will back down and the US will commend israel for being the good guys as usual and the occupation and apartheid will continue, business as usual.
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ArticulateSilence t1_jdqc0vx wrote
"natives"
analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdqe0zn wrote
Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون, al-Filasṭīniyyūn; Hebrew: פָלַסְטִינִים, Fālasṭīnīm) or Palestinian people (الشعب الفلسطيني, ash-sha‘b al-Filasṭīnī), also referred to as Palestinian Arabs (الفلسطينيين العرب, al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿArab), are an ethnonational group[30][31][32][33][34][35][36] descending from peoples who have inhabited the region of Palestine over the millennia, and who are today culturally and linguistically Arab.
ArticulateSilence t1_jdqe5gz wrote
And Jews were in the region before the millenia started. Try again
analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdqeg8r wrote
‘over the millennia’ means over thousands of years, not the last 1000 years lol
ArticulateSilence t1_jdqemu6 wrote
The region was majority Jewish before Palestinians existed.
How do you choose who has a right to the land?
newjerseytoughguy t1_jdqfjy7 wrote
cool, you will be the first to give up your property/land to lenape natives then?
ArticulateSilence t1_jdqfpf5 wrote
Never said anyone has to give up land....just saying that Palestinians are "natives" is a dumb argument. The situation is complex and people like the OP do it no favors by trying to paint it in black and white
ra3ra31010 t1_jdqzgyy wrote
Someone would be infuriated reading a Palestinians DNA test results……
analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdsajtb wrote
>never said anyone has to give up land
they are giving up land though, when palestine was partitioned, jews were 1/3 of the population and owned 7% of the land, the only district in which they were a majority was jaffa. but in the partition plan they got more than half the land. today someone who has no ties to the land but converts to judaism can emigrate to israel, no questions asked but the arabs who were expelled during the nakba, whose families have lived there for generations cannot go back to their homes.
analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdqj22n wrote
it hasn’t been majority jewish since the 4th century when constantine the roman emperor embraced christianity. by the 5th century, the jewish population was 10-15%. even when palestine was partitioned in 1947, after numerous aliyahs and emigration under the ottomans and the british, the jewish population was around 30%.
the people that have lived there over the millennia are now arab. if you wanna apply your logic and give people back the lands that they lived in around 2000 years ago, all white people should go back to europe. both north and south america have been more recently settled by europeans compared to how long there hasn’t been a jewish majority in palestine.
take england for example, it was conquered by the danes in the 11th century (cnut defeated aethelred the unready and ultimately became king of england, norway and denmark). should we do genetics testing on every englishman and send back anybody with scandinavian dna? dont forget the normans who invaded and conquered england in the 12th century (william the conqueror defeated harold ii). the same goes for every country in the world. the aryans migrated to india around 2000 BC from what is now Iran and central asia, the original natives were dark skinned. should every light skinned indian (which is a lot of northern india) be sent back to iran? why this special treatment for israel?
ra3ra31010 t1_jdqz9ns wrote
Let’s take it further and just say every human should go back to Africa with this argument too
analhunter_RIPyoass t1_jdsx4bx wrote
if we go back far enough you could make that argument lol. all i’m saying why do we choose that time period (first few centuries AD) to determine the inhabitants of a land for all eternity.
according to historical and religious sources, moses was likely born in egypt around the 13-14th century BC. he then led the israelites to what was then canaan, and what is now israel/palestine/jordan and killed the people that lived there. so if we set that period to say another 1500 years back, then the jews really belong in egypt and not israel.
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srddave t1_jdqez9y wrote
So glad to see this. I wish we saw more American Jews speaking out and protesting Israel and its policies. I am thinking East Hill Synagogue must be quite a conservative congregation.
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nacho78 t1_jdqp65u wrote
Fascists not cool with fascist tactics.
iamstrugglin t1_jdqwf2t wrote
Yeah, I seems hollow to advocate for Israeli democracy when these same people would likely argue against Palestinian democracy.
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murdoc_k t1_jdsl04z wrote
r/leopardsatemyface
Special_FX_B t1_jdp5jgl wrote
Assuredly they realize fascism in Israel is not good for the country just like its rise here in the United States is bad for us. It’s a recipe for suffering and injustice.