ramblinroseEU72 t1_j5owhwa wrote
Reply to comment by MusicalMerlin1973 in Why does this state seem to lose power so frequently? It’s always related to downed power lines from trees? Or is this a grid issue? by JayBisky
Absolutely, and the fact that much of the ground is bedrock or extremely rocky so it's hard to dig and lay cables in.
MusicalMerlin1973 t1_j5p3xif wrote
I’d also say this: I’m dating myself here. I remember when we got cable in the 80s. I’m pretty sure some of the town has that underground but a lot don’t. Same with fiber optic that tds put in a decade ago.
I’m not a fan of losing power. When er have a major event my road is often 5 days without. We got it back briefly yesterday for 40 minutes. When our first kid was born my parents gave us a generator for Christmas so we could keep the house warm when we lose power. It is what it is.
warren_stupidity t1_j5poyob wrote
Oddly enough most new construction uses underground conduit for utility wires. I guess the bedrock is only a problem on the roads.
Tullyswimmer t1_j5pv2sf wrote
Yeah, because most construction isn't taking place on bedrock.
Running them underground from the pole to a building makes sense. Running them underground everywhere in the terrain we have in this state doesn't.
warren_stupidity t1_j5qy7sj wrote
Well ok I'm sure there may be geographical features in some areas that prohibit underground conduit, but for example, my road is pretty much exactly the same region as my house, and all the new-ish (like within the last 30-40 years) houses here have underground connected to the poles on the street. We have a lot of long driveways too. Most of the rest of my town is pretty much the same, except the newer developments and clusters all have underground systems for the whole area. So, in summary, sure they could bury a lot, perhaps almost all of the local distribution systems, they just won't because it doesn't make short term financial sense.
Tullyswimmer t1_j5rk0ic wrote
As someone else mentioned, if you wanna see your electricity bill skyrocket because of distribution fees, by all means... There's a reason that rural areas (and not just in NH, all over the world) don't bury conduit. It's expensive as hell.
warren_stupidity t1_j5td7sm wrote
Ok, but you started out claiming that it couldn’t be done because of ‘bedrock’, and now your argument is it’s too expensive. I doubt the expense argument too. As noted, new developments are almost all putting utilities underground. It apparently isn’t all that expensive. But yes there is obviously a cost. The offset is drastically reduced maintenance costs. The problem is that it takes a long time for the maintenance offset to balance out the installation expense.
Tullyswimmer t1_j5thoe5 wrote
> I doubt the expense argument too
Seattle buried some power lines in 2007. It cost about $2500 per foot - and the way that article is written, it doesn't necessarily cover the whole cost.
A much cheaper proposition by Hydro Quebec was floated in 2017. And by "much cheaper" I mean it was $4.2 million per mile instead of the $13 million per mile it cost in Seattle.
Generally speaking, burying powerlines costs about 10x as much as running them overhead, and the numbers in that article come out to be just under $4 million per mile.
Even the most recent prices I can find, for PG&E, put a number between $1.5M and $3M per mile with the costs being paid by the people who are served by the electric utility, and the costs being dependent on how much the process is.
The reason that housing developments are putting utilities underground is that burying power cables rated for 200 amps when you already have trenches for water and sewer doesn't add a huge expense over running the cables overhead, since most of the cost, at that point, is the cable. Because for residential installs, the cost per foot is only about $8, unless there's local regulations and rules that make it significantly more expensive, because there's limited capacity in underground conduits and cable vaults.
And again, all of these costs are basic costs. They don't account for the type of terrain we have in NH. The closest we could get would be the cost from Hydro Quebec but even there the soil is much flatter and they weren't going to have to do any horizontal drilling to make it work - That was all using existing infrastructure for buried cable. Horizontal drilling is much harder when you have as much rock in your soil as we do.
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