I had a conversation with him 3 years ago now. I don't work in politics at all, was showing him some outdoor rec stuff and how to get folks outdoors etc... During our conversation I found myself nodding along, agreeing with things he said and totally being engaged. After he left I shook myself and realized he didn't actually say anything of substance and that I had been totally fluffed. All that to say I agree, the guy is great on a personal level