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CommonWraith t1_j0zno8k wrote

Imagine buying a Kia.

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Lumpyyyyy t1_j0ztdlm wrote

The new Kias are pretty nice if you haven’t seen or been in one recently.

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OscarP808 t1_j10p6tb wrote

The car reviewers love the Telluride, it consistently gets high marks from the sites I watch and read. On a lark I looked one up on their website before knowing about this dealer’s rep as wife wants a third row for kid shuttling —quick search shows a $10k market adjustment on a $49k MSRP. Ouch.

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Lumpyyyyy t1_j10rzxq wrote

Fuck those dealer markups. I’ll wait around for there to be one at MSRP or never at all before I pay $10k directly in a dealers pocket. They are glorified ticket scalpers.

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figment1979 t1_j0zrsiz wrote

My 2011 Kia Soul I bought brand new, and now it has 249,000+ miles on it. Best damn car I’ve ever owned, and it’s not even close.

Kia used to be terrible, but they’ve improved greatly.

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hopefully-a-good-buy t1_j0zt08w wrote

yeah kia and hyundai are great cars. my girlfriend just got a new 2023 Tucson and it has the 100k/10yr engine, drivetrain, powertrain warranty.

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hedoeswhathewants t1_j100fdm wrote

Eh, there was a time when they were turning it around but they've had very real problems with their motors the last 6-7ish years

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thspimpolds t1_j101k7m wrote

You just said Soul and good? Do you need help???

I got one as a loaner when my car was in for a maintenance bulletin. It sounded like it was going to explode on the pike… the engine is way to small and don’t even get me started on the speaker lights

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figment1979 t1_j101wif wrote

I’ve heard in some places that the engines after 2011 aren’t quite as good, so I’ll give benefit of the doubt there. But my results kinda speak for themselves I think.

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thspimpolds t1_j10luzu wrote

I think it was a 2012 or so. Might hold water. It was terrifying

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lellololes t1_j12orni wrote

The Soul has a buzzy little 4 cylinder engine, if you're coming from a nicer car you're probably going to find it's noisy and slow...

That alone doesn't make it a bad car, though. You could always try a Mitsubishi Mirage.

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RelativeMotion1 t1_j0zxkh3 wrote

They rely on lower information buyers and people who want a new car with features, despite their budget. Kia/Hyundai offer cars with lots of competitive features at a low price AND with a very long warranty.

But they haven’t unlocked a secret to cost effective manufacturing that no other automaker knows about. They just cut corners. A decade or more of poor quality engine manufacturing leading to ever-expanding recalls. Not using security key technology that has been used by other carmakers for over 20 years, leading to very high theft rates. And most recently a major child labor issue. Keep in mind that they opened plants in southern states to avoid the UAW - and the worker’s protection that comes with them.

They lure buyers in with good deals, and then deliver a substandard product. They hope you’ll overlook that due to the crazy long warranty, but then constantly fight paying warranty claims.

As someone with nearly 2 decades in the automotive industry, I absolutely wouldn’t recommend one to my friends or family. There are plenty of other vehicles with better design and higher quality manufacturing.

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CommunityGlittering2 t1_j10r9je wrote

I've owned 4 KIA's since 2010, all nice cars. 2010 Optima, 2018 Stinger, 2019 Stinger, 2020 Niro. Only problem was the 2019 Stinger which had bad special edition yellow paint and was recalled, paint was not manufactured by Kia. I choose to get another one instead of getting it repainted. Besides the possible issue with the paint never a problem.

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RelativeMotion1 t1_j10uynq wrote

I’m sure plenty of folks have had good experiences, and I’m glad your cars have been reliable. There’s some confirmation bias going on too, though. You would’ve almost certainly had the same experience with at least several other brands.

But you can find similar anecdotes about every car manufacturer. I don’t find those anecdotes to be compelling reasons to disregard evidence that a manufacturer is making poor choices and/or major oversights in engineering/production.

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