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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wnepi wrote

Reply to comment by vexingsilence in FBI data shows uptick in NH hate crimes in 2021 | New Hampshire Public Radio by smartest_kobold

So when the neo-Nazis organize we shouldn't consider them a group and solely treat them as individual, even though they're saying "we're a neo-Nazi group that hates other groups"? Glad you're not a lawmaker...

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vexingsilence t1_j0wo9fq wrote

Is it any different than a violent street gang or a serious drug operation? Should a group like MS13 be treated less serious because they're not targeting a protected class, but a bunch of LARPers calling themselves neo-Nazis should be treated harsher? How does that benefit society? Why should justice not be blind in that kind of scenario?

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wowfx wrote

No, I don't think they should be treated less severely. I don't think anyone is suggesting that. What does that have to do with hate crimes increasing anyway? It's just an odd hill to die on here. Crime organizations that target protected groups should be punished to the full extent of the law. Protected classes are protected for a reason--they're already under duress for their situation. Intentionally targeting them, in my mind, is worse than a "standard" crime.

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vexingsilence t1_j0wqoc9 wrote

You're trying to have it both ways. You say it's a "worse crime" but that one shouldn't be treated "less severely". Which is it? Who's to say someone in a non-protected class hasn't had a worse life than a victim that was part of one?

I still don't see the logic or benefit to society in treating one as a more serious crime than the other. The acts committed are the crime. A victim shouldn't be seen as less of a victim because of who they are.

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wrlsh wrote

So, what would you charge Nazis for a genocide of some millions of people? Just like, a standard homicide charge? We might have to agree to disagree on this...

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vexingsilence t1_j0wshzz wrote

Do we have a genocide of millions going on within our borders? I'm talking about present-day, domestic stuff that would be tried through the courts. What the heck are you going on about?

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wtrzl wrote

You're not talking any anything except in circles

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vexingsilence t1_j0wu6rq wrote

You're talking about genocides, I'm talking about our justice system and how we deal with criminal matters. This is why names matter. You've dragged actual Nazis into this even though that war is long over. It's 2022, this is a discussion about an article about crime statistics in NH.

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wuax7 wrote

Right, those statistics you'd like to ignore because you don't think neo-Nazis are "compentent" enough to be "real" Nazis. Again, I'll reiterate, I'm glad you don't make the laws.

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Low-Head-1493 t1_j0yt3wj wrote

Excellent job rolling out the whataboutism right on cue.

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