Hassan and NHDems also blast that.

When reached for comment, NH Libertarians said “We’re in for any plan that involves blasting.”

i want to downvote my own post because of the stupid buzzword headline

the DNC can cram it! I hope we hold steady and push back vigorously. They are so obnoxious

DNC can fuck right off for a myriad of reasons, this being one of them.

Honest to god, don't care. The entire system is so rigged by the rich that we only have the illusion of choice anyway. How would moving the primary functionally change anything in our lives? Why do we care?

:(

Ayup the DNC can fuck right off right now.

I don't know why you've frowned at me, but it has made me exceptionally sad.

Why is it such a big deal that it's moved? Is it literally bragging rights of being "the first in the nation" that's causing all this backlash?

Hack.

Yup

What makes you so upset about this potential change? Why wouldn’t a population more representative of the country be perhaps a better initial indicator? Or is it just “me first” selfishness?

<<insert Danny DeVito "So anyway I started blasting" meme>>

But NH is…we are a purple state clear as day. We clearly vote based on policy. The DNC is attempting to punish NH due to Biden’s failures here. They are using identify politics as a means despite the fact we are a purple state.

Second. It’s our state law. Eat it. Third. It’s tradition. It has nothing to do with selfishness it has everything to do we are a clear representative of the population of America. We have high voter turn out and because Nh is a small state we learn and can interact with the candidates.

You’re not a native and clearly subscribe to racist identify politics, bigot…you have no fucking argument

I honestly found our voting laws particularly convenient. Town clerks allowing me to register and vote an absentee ballot the same day? Idk wtf the DNC is so butthurt about. They should get their shit together like calling out AOC the socialist princess who didn't back the rail workers union recently. Hypocrisy much?

A lot of political money is spent keeping the state red. If it wasn't first primary state, that money would stop and you guys would be Mass part 2.

Traditions are dumb. NH is not average.

The first few primaries set the tone for much of the rest of the election. The inention is to move the first primary to a state that is more racially diverse and representative of the country as a whole. NH is 92% white, 2.7% asian and 1.55% black. SC is 69% white and 27% black and 2% asian. Nationally, the racial makeup is 75.8% white, 13.6% black and 6.1% asian. Obviously SC isn't a perfect choice but has more diversity than NH.

Traditions are necessary and yes nh is average

Speaking as Mayflower material I am prepared to dismiss the not native claim. Although I guess I could have been of Winnipesaukee heritage.

However to claim NH is representative is pretty out of touch. Sure race is one factor that happen imho to be still fairly material, and 92.8% white doesn’t cut it there. But by other measures as well, such as age:

• almost 20% less of the population is under 18 than the us as a whole and
• almost 15% more of the population is over 65

to just give one example. It’s too bad you have no ability to think objectively, but having seen you around I continue to be unsurprised.

Money in politics is cancerous. Let the chips fall where they may

You got bullied into anti-abortion laws by your own party and just shrugged it away, don't suddenly act all mad when the DNC does the same thing. You gave them the blueprint for how to deal with you. They want NH to allow for early voting. If you really care about being 1st in the nation, that's not a huge ask. If you don't actually care all that much about being 1st, don't change it...but spare everyone the fake outrage.

When you use phrases like socialist princess you kinda just sound like a tool. It invalidates anything else you have to say. Just some constructive criticism for you.

Hopefully they can all fingerblast themselves right outta NH.

Nah I totally get that and agree. Thank you, I can be better and try if you believe it. I honestly would rather 20 of her to another old wasp (there I go again) as we need new blood so badly in government versus the current dinosaurs we have. I just can't believe she would do something like that after being so pro-worker, and socialism.

Nahhh. They make excellent beer.

Anything that delays the attack ads and junk mail is fine with me.

I guess we disagree

Oh I bet it's a really flavorful canned IPA with a really clever name and colorful packaging. Maybe something hand drawn on the cover and very, very original.

All of that, and grossly misinterpreted toxically masculine quotes from dead white men from American history.

But still damn good.

I am against the change. Background, I live and grew up in NH, lived in SC, and is currently a registered democrat.

NH has the racial diversity of a black pepper cracker, at 92.8% white I can understand that. Using that same statistic, the US is 75.8% and SC is 68.6%. Closer, but skews in the opposite direction.

Both states skew older than the US as a whole, with the US at 16.8%, followed by SC at 18.6% and NH at 19.3%. In fact, many people that go between the two regions note that NH/MA have a similar dynamic as SC/NC.

What I think you will find is people who oppose this are going to have two arguments, one local and the other national.

First (local), NH is an extremely purple state. There is no dominant party in the state. Elections are typically closer here than the nation. This change could be used by the GOP to flip NH. NH Democrats have to resist because if not, this alone could cost them reelection. The GOP will use this to demonize the DNC in NH (already started), and they will be successful if NH dems are not careful.

Second (national): many democrats in New Hampshire want the early primary states to be purple, competitive, with a populace that has strong voter engagement and has demonstrated that they can pick good candidates. With a 64.5% turnout for the 2020 elections in SC, many do not feel that they are a good early primary. It appears that a dominantly red state, with a disengaged populace is being seen as a better early slot. The last time a Democrat won the general in SC was Carter is 1972. Over the same period NH has selected the winning candidate in the general election all but two time (Kerry over Bush, and Clinton over Trump).

Don’t really care about being first, but I’ll be damned if either party tries to tell us what laws New Hampshire has or doesn’t have.

The data says otherwise but why let facts get in the way of any of your wishful thinking.

You literally said nothing - explain

So the majority of the population reflects the greater population and your marginalization of young and old is completely fucking meaningless. At 18 you’re a full citizen. Period.

Furthermore your racist identity politics is exactly that, racist. So fuck off bigot.

Oh and give me your example…I’m still waiting for a coherent argument other than race base politics and asinine ageism.

What a fucking clown

Oh and yeah you dismiss the not native because you’re not one - Massachusetts welcomes you

Didn’t we already go through this? I’ve backed up the comment. NH skews among other things older and much whiter than “average” America.

Don’t cry because the data doesn’t show what you want. Life will still go on even after you admit you are wrong.

You might also want to sharpen up your thinking skills as you kind of jump around making wild assertions that I am assuming you think probe something instead of making you look unhinged.

And to pretend that there could be no possible difference in outlook based on age or (unfortunately) race is to choose to be willfully blind to both the needs and hurts of others. But again, I wouldn’t expect any more from you. Unlike “real” Americans.

But to play the game and answer your questions, yes, a demographic profile coming closer to the overall demographic profile of the country “reflects” the country better.

No. We haven’t gone over anything. By your oem omission the majority of residents of NH reflect the grater population. You’re only premise is a racist one, bigot

You haven’t produced any data so nobody is crying here clown. I didn’t even bother to read the rest of your bullshit

You are so ridiculous, I can’t tell if it’s parody or just utter confusion on your part.

Your argument is the majority of people in Nh are what? white (93%) and the majority of people in the United States are white (75%) ergo NH “reflects” the population of the US. And that’s your only criteria? You have lost touch lil’buddy.

Um… did you read my other comment to you or is it memory issues or just willful nattering? Data is simple to get, try the US census:

US overall: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221

and if you have any capabilities you’ll be able to take it from there.

No. You’re a bigot. You have no argument and here comes the classic bullshit insults because you have no arguments outside being a racist, racist

Yeah and the data has nothing to do with the topic. It’s a strawman argument you’re attempting to produce and that’s why I’m dismissing it because it’s asinine just like your position

You can make your own post titles instead of importing the stock title.

You are a fool. The obvious argument I have consistently made is that the demographics of NH have some material differences from the demographics of the US across several dimensions.

It is baffling that you can not comprehend such a simple concept but I guess people have their limits.

Just to be clear you are saying the demographic data has nothing to do with the argument that the demographics of NH is different than the demographics of the overall US of A.

Ok buddy. You gotta do you I suppose.

Sure, racist

Such as asinine statements; strawman stupidity when that’s not what I’m saying. Idiotic racist.

Ok facist pedophile.

Nothing you say has any merit you jaywalking pedophile.

It’s so obvious they’re doing this to punish N.H. for voting for Bernie in 2020. Fuck the DNC, this isn’t their decision to make.

So now you’re projecting with your racist propaganda nonsense. Classic.

Problem is you have no evidence and simply projecting. You’re argument is racist, you fucking racist

Nope. Just calling it like everyone sees it.

Nope. Just trying to wake up the sheeple to how terrible you are.

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Classic narcissist as you only speak for yourself. Racist, pedo and narcissist. You must be 20 and if you’re not you’re even more pathetic than I imagined

But as you say they are sheeple ergo you’re wasting your time and there is no one else. Asinine.

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If this is how political discourse worked in our country even 50% or the time, we’d all be a lot better off. Cheers to you both!

Typical thread with ArthurSnow:

Arthur: assertion nh is average.

me: here is more data showing how it deviates the average.

Arthur: refuse to think also you are racist trash

me: reiterate and expand in data

Arthur: nah nah nah plus you have no data. repeat racist

me: you are a twat

Arthur: see name calling!

Classic brain dead fool. It’s sad that lil’buckaroos like him spoil our country’s potential for greatness…

Yes you are an ass. We agree.

Lol. You mad because I don’t buy into your racism. What a clown

There is no we..Jesus you’re an idiot

Yup. NH being among other things older than the US overall is classic “replacement theory” little champ!

Sure thing little buckaroo! Have fun and be sure to say hello to your mother for me!

People just can't be transparent with what ever party they lean towards and then they can't agree to disagree.

Absolutely. Same with Iowa and Nevada. All three have delegates to Bernie.

I’m far to the left but screw the DNC thinking it can bully NH like this. Grave miscalculation on their part.

It’s not about the ask, it’s about the fact that they have no ability to make this change and they are patently ridiculous for making the ask. The policies of the left are good. The DNC is a dumpster fire.

The reasoning makes sense. The thought that they could force NH to violate their own statute or change their laws to cater to the wishes of the DNC is insane. Not sure if they thought this one through.

SC is a bigger state, so candidates with large war chests and national name recognition have a greater leg up in SC than they would in NH, where candidates can easily make their way around the state. NH is better for good-but-unknown candidates to develop a national profile.

In terms of selfishness, NH, NV, and Iowa did not go for Biden in 2020 primary. SC was the first that did and one of Biden’s most important backers was Clyburn. That’s a factor here that has nothing to do with picking a good state to go first.

Why not seek out a purple state where it would be good to grow our presence and turn it blue? NC and GA are better choices if race is the determinative factor.

You’re delusional and agist, bigot

My mother is dead. Your mother still does your laundry and blows strangers for crack. All you do is project. Fucking clown

Then don't do it. Problem solved.

Oh we aren’t, the law doesn’t permit it. But that doesn’t solve the problem so much as change the nature of it.

Dems telling NH voters that they are unimportant to the party is not helpful when we have two blue senate seats that are vulnerable.

NH isn't important in terms of the general election and let's be honest: we're a terrible choice for first-in-the-nation voting. Also as a lifelong NH resident...I could care less when we vote. I also think NH voters are pretty reasonable when it comes to voting for senators they think will go to work and get things done when they get to Washington. Can't imagine this will impact that.

> NH isn't important in terms of the general election

It’s more important than South Carolina. NH is one of the few purple states that exist. SC is red.

> Can't imagine this will impact that.

I hope you are right, but I don’t see how you would be. Republicans are going to be the only show in town every presidential election. GOP will pour money into the state pushing GOP narratives. GOP candidates are going to be talking to voters and Dems will be absent. That alone helps push a state right. Dems are going to create a vacuum that GOP will happily fill. GOP primary money is going to create a larger network of organizers, while the Dem one atrophies. I think Shaheen and Hassan understand the threat this creates to their viability (as well as Dems at large) which is why you are hearing them speak out about this as they are.

No, NH is a terrible outlier when it comes to primary data, which is the real reason they want the change. We're literally among the worst states in terms of that.

What do you mean primary data? If you’re taking about racial demographics, you’re certainly right, though that doesn’t change the problems with the decision by the DNC.

Sure thing champ! Hopefully you’ll make the JV squad one day.

I love how every time you are presented with any fact or data you disassemble. Is that you in disguise Winter Rewind? Classic lump head behavior.

Only a child would care about such things - like you. You’re a fucking idiot kid. Nobody thinks of hs unless hs is still present in recent memory. You’re a disappointment to your parents

You haven’t provided any data that negates the original point…fucking idiot

Sure thing little fellow! Don’t be intimidated on your first day!

Except I have. I guess I am overestimating your cognitive abilities. For that I apologize.

You do understand that demographic data on say, age, from say, the US Census, would in fact you show that NH skews differently than the US overall. And there are differences in other dimensions as well.

Show this to a trusted adult and they can explain it to you.

Your just projecting. Nothing you’re saying makes sense. God you’re absolutely a fucking idiot

No. You’ve only posted “data” that has nothing to do with the original point and simply insisting. You can say it’s raining all day when it’s clearly isn’t. Still doesn’t make it true. Fucking fantasy land this one

“Data” is correct. And yes it definitely is relevant as to whether or not NH is representative of the United States. So sad you can’t see beyond your… obstinance? Not sure if it’s your lack of capability to understand, or an iron will to never learn anything.

The more you repeat yourself the closer to godhood you are!

Again, no

I’m only repeating myself because you’re an idiot

Again- no actual refutation. But cool, didn’t expect you were capable of more.

Hardly little pardner. But hey, I don’t mind too much it’s easy to love folly in a child.

It’s been refuted multiple times. I don’t need to refute what’s already been refuted, bigot

Yeah you do live children for sure. You’ve made that clear, pedo

I declare REFUTATION!

One day an original thought will slowly ascend from your bowels to your brain.

But there is nothing to refute because the data is irrelevant rewarding this topic

No. Nothing you say matters

That's exactly what I'm saying. The real reason they're doing it is because NH primary voting data typically doesn't look anything like the national data. Campaigns are extremely data-centric and our data simply can't be trusted to hold up nationally. Look at the last two Dem primaries: Sanders smoked Clinton in 2016 and Biden didn't even crack the top 4 in 2020.

I personally think that historically we actually do pick the better candidate and are smarter than the average Dem voter, but because of that we don't always pick the one that's going to get the most votes in a primary. Sanders 100% beats Trump in 2016 and NH knew Biden wasn't the best choice in 2020. Either way it doesnt matter, the decision to do this isn't based on them actually thinking NH needs to change anything, they just don't want us going first anymore.

Make them all simultaneous or better, get rid of primaries entirely.

I see what you mean there. I think one big reason for the difference is that war chests and name recognition (both strengths of Clinton and Biden) don’t get a candidate as far in NH as they do in most other states. It’s probably the main reason I like NH going first: gives all candidates a pretty fair shake, even if they aren’t the richest or most well known.

Among the reasons DNC doesn’t want NH first, I suspect, is that NH is more likely to elevate a candidate not preferred by the DNC, relative to other states.

Sure thing lil'buddy! Keep on dreaming the dream!

Sure thing lil'buddy. Keep on dreaming the dream!

It’s not a dream. It’s a simple fact that nothing you say matters

It’s not a dream. Just a fact