bookon t1_iz4rv4r wrote
Reply to comment by Intrepid_Priority154 in Belmont Massachusetts Man Arrested On Felony Wrongful Voting Charge In New Hampshire - wonder which candidate/party he voted for? by AMC4x4
" The point is it appears easy to commit voter fraud"
You are brainwashed by the right wing news bubble and it's hopeless to try and make you understand.
Voter fraud is rare. You see one case of it and that makes you think it's the tip of an iceberg because the people who decide what you think want you to think that. That's how propaganda works.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz57skc wrote
It doesn’t matter. One voter fraud is one too many. Problem is, no one knows how widespread voting fraud is. We hear stories like this and the left goes “see rare”. We have no idea. Ohh and if someone brings this up, it’s “ohh you are brainwashed”. Just like everything else with the left…”ohh you want a secure border?…Racist.”
bookon t1_iz5dfs2 wrote
"One voter fraud is one too many. "
I agree but you using that to overturn the election and installing Trump president by 'terminating" the constitution seems like an overreaction.
”ohh you want a secure border?…Racist.”
If you're ONLY focused on the Mexican Border and not the Canadian one or people over staying visas, then people might see you as racist. That is true.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz5eco4 wrote
Right but the one where people are overstaying their visas isn’t causing air Marshall’s to be removed from flights to help our agents at the border. Did 1K people die as a result of people overstaying their visas? That’s roughly how many people died this year crossing the border. Are people overstaying their visas causing suicides of border agents?
Who said because one person voted we should overturn the election?
bookon t1_iz5r9nh wrote
'Who said because one person voted we should overturn the election?"
Anyone who wants the 2020 election overturned. Essentially. There was very little fraud and none of it changed any outcomes.
>> Right but the one where people are overstaying their visas
Mmmm... the GOP refused immigration reform. Period. They need to have the topic to anger their voters.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz5vlt9 wrote
You keep saying very little proof of fraud. We have no idea if that is a true statement. I just remember before the election we were warned by Kamala and other dems to be fearful of electronic voting machines. We don’t hear that too much these days.
Way to respond.
bookon t1_iz66w2h wrote
>by Kamala and other dems to be fearful of electronic voting machines
They did? I have no memory of this.
And we know there was very little fraud because every court and trumps own DOJ found this. You will now pivot and attack them as not being loyal to Trump or something...
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz68kcu wrote
Weren’t you the one talking about right wingers buying propaganda?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4965162/user-clip-kamala-harris-watched-voting-machines-hacked
But that’s when you could say these things.
bookon t1_iz6bxpf wrote
One is paywalled and one is her asking a question.
So just to be clear, you don't trust voting anymore? Right? So THEY have succeeded. Good luck.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz6c79o wrote
She said she saw one hacked. Then campaigns on we should only be allowed to use paper ballots. Odd she isn’t talking about it now.
Hey…I am just asking questions. Guess only one party can do that now.
bookon t1_iz9gdbv wrote
She said we should only use paper ballots?
>> Guess only one party can do that now.
No neither should.
She stopped talking about it because she was WRONG.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz9gjhn wrote
No because she know paper ballots can be harvested. And before 2020 it was hip and cool to discuss these things.
bookon t1_iz9i2bu wrote
Listen, the issue is that the Trump wing of the GOP says EVERY election they lose was rigged and you guys believe them.
So then they move to hand counting and they use the extra time that takes as proof of cheating.
The truth is is that MAGA folks don't believe in voting. They think the 'other side' winning IS CHEATING.
They just want their candidates installed into office. They hate democrats so much they hate democracy if it lets democrats win.
THAT IS IS THE ISSUE.
There are no democrats that bad. You need to both side this so you can lie to yourself that you don't support people who would destroy our republic and create a dictatorship if they could.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz9kf9m wrote
Oddly enough this was the democrat stance pre 2020. “Bush was selected, not elected”. “Russian collusion” “illegitimate president” how many high level democrats have made that statement? The issue is it’s been done before and democrats are only mad now because someone else is doing it.
And no, every American should be concerned about the elections. Democrats want a American Idol style election where you can text a number to vote. Mail in ballots are ripe for fraud with ballot harvesting. Heck, you don’t even need to campaign like the Arizona governor elect, you can even be a racist, but as long as you have campaign cash and can pay for people to go door knocking in the inner cities to harvest ballots you can win. I also suppose being in charge of the voting process helps too.
It’s a concern that people reported receiving multiple ballots for old household residents. Even though we are told there are ways to make sure that ballot wouldn’t be counted how do we know? Our government allowed $45B in unemployment fraud but sure they can stop a ballot from being counted. It should be a concern that those ballots being counted were being done in rooms where election officials covered windows and hid from the press.
Ohh and this doesn’t even take into consideration the absolute total control one party seems to have of every level of government from DOJ, IRS, FBI, etc. and the damn media who will do whatever they ask.
Unlike most high level members of the democrat party between 2016-2020 I can say the current president is legitimate.
bookon t1_iz9pcj4 wrote
>It’s a concern that people reported receiving multiple ballots for old household residents
That doesn't mean they will accept more than one per person.
They are LYING to you to make you afraid so you'll be ok when they attack voting. And it's clearly working.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz9r2ih wrote
I am sorry what? You are making no sense. Who is lying? The people receiving the ballots that are addressed to old household residents?
bookon t1_iz9vr0x wrote
The people telling you that this is evidence of fraud are lying. You can only vote once. They track who votes. If I get multiple ballots sent to me by mistake I cannot vote multiple times. They are LYING to you about that.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz9xgzt wrote
So people didn’t receive multiple ballots? And the same government who handed out $45B additional unemployment benefits, including to dead people, can assure us that none of these ballots mailed inadvertently were counted?
bookon t1_iz9ykh7 wrote
>So people didn’t receive multiple ballots?
Why can't you just read what I wrote?
You clearly need there to be fraud so I can't help you.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_iz9z0s2 wrote
I read exactly what you wrote. You called them liars.
I don’t need there to be fraud. Just pointing out the issues and potential fraud. I know it’s hard to understand.
bookon t1_izaksie wrote
No... They are lying and you seem to want to be lied too, but what I said was that getting multiple ballots isn't fraud. There are safeguards to keep people from submitting multiple ballots from the same person. And other safeguards keep those ballots from being counted.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_izalfk2 wrote
I get that, there are also safeguards to prevent dead people from getting unemployment. I know this is hard for you, but I am skeptical of a system that mails a ballot to an old resident of a house to begin with. I think the original article we commented on was about a guy who has voted in both MA and NH…how many years before he got caught? We have safeguards for that…no?
bookon t1_izanjka wrote
Let me end with this. You are GREATLY over estimating the danger we face from a few errant votes and they are using your unfounded fears as a weapon to get you to not trust results they don't want you to trust.
Intrepid_Priority154 t1_izanu4i wrote
You trust the same system that sends out $45B in errant unemployment benefits.
bookon t1_izatz28 wrote
The elections and unemployment benefits are handled by different people. You need this conspiracy because you can't admit your preferred candidates aren't as popular as you think they are.
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