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Question.

Practically speaking, would the state lose anything by giving this up?

I could see the service industry taking a hit and perhaps a big one, but what else?

State pride and significant political power

It is great to see the candidates up close in smaller settings, so I would miss it. I can also see why the Dems would move on from NH and IA neither state really are representative of the current DP. None of the last three Dems to win the WH won the NH primary so it is not much of a bellwether either. Still I will miss getting to see the candidates up close and personal.

Biden's doing this because he has significant ties to South Carolina and only won the nomination because of it.

Still surprised he's even wading into this though. It would have been easier for Biden and the White House to just sit back and let things play out.

Channel 9 and other local media are more upset about it than I am.

Please do. Please, please do. Move ours to last.

I don’t understand why anyone cares if we’re first.

Yeah he really sucks at retail politics so he lost bad here, but black voters like him so he did well there

It gives us a lot of political access and power along with being a big economic boon

I super duper don't care. The political grandstanding that occurs in NH ahead of each major election is actually enough to where I would prefer we weren't first. Once that roadshow is over, all the federal candidates forget NH exists, anyways.

Classic move by the Dems. Lied to the country saying they had no plans to change the first in the nation when it was so close to midterms. The moment they got their votes, here they are going against their word. Good reminder that they are untrustworthy pieces of shit

It's just one of the only things that makes us occasionally nationally relevant. Otherwise we fade into obscurity like that state you never remember exists. You know the one I'm talking about. Or maybe not, that's the point.

>!Rhode Island - I bet that's not even the one you were thinking of.!<

Does it though?

Yeah. Cause the GOP, party of family values, never lies. Hell the 2 shitbags that got re-elected in my town, that promised to work bipartisanly to get things done, a week after they got elected are back to their shit-throwing ways blaming everyone else. They didn't even show up to vote for the most important issues in our town. They all lie. Don't pretend like Republicans are f'ing saints!

let’s have all primaries on the same day and save some time and money

LOL thanks for the kabuki, Senator

Yes

Yup, one party moved a voting primary, the other removed human rights....remember that

Also this is literally the elected officials from NH blasting the proposal but at the end of the day they are pair 1 of 50. Also this is the Democrats, not GOP. GOP can still keep NH first and something tells me you don't vote in the Dem primary

What significant political power? The "NH picks the president" was just a circle jerk of idiots. If your top ticket issue is who votes first and not just everyone votes then you are the problem

Just have them the same day. NH will still be first since polls open at midnight in at least one town.

I think the argument is that would pretty much all but guarantee only the richest major candidates having any chance at all

No more dark horse candidates that can run off a few small donations through the smaller states

I mean ethanol is still a political sticking point because Iowa

Not bothered by it....

We're talking about the Dems here, but that's a good attempt at Whataboutism! Stick to the topic at hand

And you should remember we're talking about the Dems here. I know you are incapable of forming an argument without restoring to whatever, but try anyway

I literally say this is the democrats, so yes? Calling me incapable of forming an argument whiteout resorting to whatever? What does that even mean? My argument is if the choice was between a basic human right and a primary order no one over the age of 50 gives 2 shits about I'm picking supporting human rights. I don't think the first in the nation primary is really all that important for anyone other than people who like to circle jerk to their "in better because of an arbitrary order which doesn't actually impact anything" status

Isn't that a symptom not a reason? Ethanol is a politic point because Iowa is first, Iowa is not first because ethanol is a political sticking point. On the grander scheme of things people that care enough about primaries to get angry over this will vote in them regardless of when they happen making it a mute point.

And people blaming their elected officials personally when their officials are out numbered by a large faction is just ridiculous to me

Ahhh I see you know all about those. Not surprising. What is good for the goose is good for the racist, homophobic gander!

You’re answering your own question here. It doesn’t really make sense to hold a primary in a state that’s not representative

The need to spread out the vote is gone. Tv, social media, and airplanes means it no longer takes years to campaign. They should limit campaigns to 6 months max and everyone votes at the same time.

BLASTS

DESTROYS

ANNHILATES

RIPS

TAKES DOWN

SLAMS

It's honestly silly how US political reporting has essentially become the political version of WWE.

She's reacting like this because she knows there will be an army of smooth-brained dipshits saying shit like "See! Democrats don't care about NH!" No one with an IQ above 30 thinks it's reasonable for NH to demand the first primary for the rest of time. It's ridiculous.

Quite frankly, the idea that the only way we can pick our presidential candidates is if they meet the maximum number of people possible in various diners around each state is so anachronistic and stupid. Run your campaign, visit where you must, put your message out in live online events/debates and let's all vote in the primary on the same day.

> everyone votes at the same time.

Threat to democracy!

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Maybe if we didn't force people to go around gland-handing a bunch of weirdos at awkward events in order to get the job, we'd get a better bunch.

On one hand I like being first. On the other hand I couldn't really give a shit. It doesn't affect my daily life. I understand why the politicians in this state want to keep the first primary. It brings in enormous amounts of money to the state. Does that money directly go to local businesses or just line the pocket of politicians I don't know?

Shaheen CHOKESLAMS the thought of NH losing FITN status. Hassan PILEDRIVES what’s left. NH FITN remains the heavy weight champ of the world!!

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If nothing else, when the politicians are stumping, reporters show up and local businesses like restaurants depend upon visitors spending money.

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I don't want any politicians touching my glands.

I mean back in the 90s, it made sense bc there was no social media. They went out to speak and meet people. Not to mention in 1998, Shaheen threw Sununu off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.

The main issue is we’re mostly white and that doesn’t represent America

Yes it does. White Americans are a plurality of the country.

Look at the stats more. The proportions of the country don’t match at all with NH. The variance is getting larger as the years go on, our country is indeed changing as nothing stays the same!!, to be democratic, we should perhaps shift to a more diverse state

This is especially important for democrats who are pushing this in particular

NH is very very special, the best state IMO, but we should realize this limitation

This source shows it the easiest

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01

We're talking about the Democrats lying about wanting to change the location of the primary. You for some reason are incapable of discussing that without bringing up other political parties.

This is about the Dems. It's apparent Republicans live rent free in your head, but they are literally irrelevant in this conversation lmao

Lmao what the fuck are you talking about. I'm pointing out lies by the Democratic party and your screeching about racism and homophobia?

Your life must be pretty disappointing.

Ok, just sticking with democrats, follow me here. The Democrats we elected are fighting to keep NH first, there are more then just them who get to pick who goes first, they are possibly and most likely out numbered in the vote. No other democrate pledged to fight to keep NH first. Not sure what you don't understand here

WMUR makes so much money from presidential political ads. They are going to be hurt most.

Look at the stats for violent crime, college degrees, median income, murder rate and on and on and tell me that South Carolina would do a better job than New Hampshire.

New Hampshire invented primaries and should continue to go first. The only thing South Carolina ever invented was the confederacy.

I think this is the workaround. That you get rid of Iowa add North Carolina/New Hampshire as the FITN. Dixville notch votes at 12:01. New Hampshire still FITN and it's a compromise.

Wow I'm really proud of you for actually managing to write something without completely and utterly changing the topic. It took a while but you finally learned. Way to go!

Plenty of other Dems supported keeping it in NH every time they come up to stump for it. Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren. Even Biden a few years ago. Not going to spend my entire morning compiling a list of every single dem who supported keeping it

Now here they are, lying about it. Waiting until after the midterms because they knew it was going to be unpopular and it could affect their poll numbers. It's incredibly shitty of them

They shouldn’t be first anymore. Their voting stats are now being manipulated by the Free Staters, a group of Civil Libertarians who posted plans years ago to turn NH red. They have moved thousands of people into the state, and have had a huge impact on local elections. Several towns have held special elections to get them out of office. There was a huge to-do last summer over Gunstock Recreational Area when they tried to take over the Gunstock Board of Directors, who had years of experience running the place. The Board of Directors resigned until it got to that point that the governor steps in, everyone was up in arms, and it only got settled when the Free Staters resigned from office, and the Gunstock board came back.

NH can no longer be considered a fair representative swing state and predictor of national outcomes, which was why they are first. The plan to move 20000+ Libertarians into the small state and influence the natural outcomes has changed voting there.

The Free Staters never list themselves as Libertarian, but as Republicans, in elections. They sometimes enter into small town elections in towns where most things are voted on by town meetings, and slash budgets after people vote for them thinking they are traditional republicans. No state with that kind of tampering should be the first swing state to vote.

Sorry to say this. I live in NH most of my life and to been sad to watch the chaos this group of people have summoned.

Who is lying? Do you have the vote split? Every democrate from the northeast could support and vote for NH primary and yet that isn't enough for a majority. Also this is a proposal not the final say we are talking about here.

What reason other then "because we always are" is there to keep the first primary in NH. A state which very is not very representative of the country as a whole. What argument do you have against moving it on a national level not a "it hurts our state economy because people pay less attention to us" level? It makes more sense to have primaries in states which are more representative of the country because that is what a primary is about.

>State pride and significant political power

It won’t change. Our state constitution states we are to go first. I know they’ll just move it earlier to get in before SC

Fucking lmao a vote split? Dude you're trying too hard. My entire point has been that prominent Dems have said they have no intention of changing it, then immediately after midterms to protect their votes, the most prominent dem in the country and his office is now going against that when it's politically advantageous and not hurting their chance at getting votes . That is slimy. There is literally zero other argument against it.

Have I defended keeping the primary here? No I haven't you dumb cunt lmao. Nice strawman though. Ffs you are literally incapable of sticking to the topic at hand, aren't ya bud?

Retail politics are important. The first four all have a specific group they are testing your appeal for, and for NH it's your ability to connect personally with voters. That is important. I don't think that should be trampled upon because we have committed the grievous sin of having a lot of white people live here

I agree. The main benefit is getting to actually talk to candidates. I grew up in the Midwest (not Iowa) and never saw a single presidential candidate until I moved here.

It's ridiculous that the next presidential election has already started. literally before the vote was even counted for the last election.

Rage on! I think you missed a few windmills.

One could argue that New Hampshire by forcing early primaries in hopes of staying relative. Is one of the reasons that our election cycle is close to 2 years now.

You've been nominated

Yes do you know how the votes for the decision were cast? You claim these people are lying yet you openly admit to not knowing how they voted. Apparently you think a handful of people can make the decision for a body of a few hundred.

>Have I defended keeping the primary here? No I haven't you dumb cunt lmao.

Wow so civil such argument. Good ad hominem bad attempt to use strawman claim when it was not a strawman claim.

The topic at hand is you claiming Democrats lied. The when i address that specific argument (not strawman) by genuinely asking if you know how those who supported voted because they could...wait for it...be out voted 🫢 which means they wouldn't have turned against it and the same outcome could still happen.

Then i go onto the topic of NH having the first in the nation primary because as part of the argument about a vote split the question becomes would enough other Democrats be in favor of NH first or other arguments against NH first. I provide multiple reasons why those who never gave their word would push to place another state first and ask for a counter argument besides the only one there is "because we we first". All of which is relevant to your assumption that "these Democrats must have lied because someone else proposed something that is against what they said."

Ain't your bud, pal

I would say NH having it early lead to Iowa being early but the big push over the last decade where politics = marketability is both a good thing (people paying more attention to politics) and a bad thing as people become saturated with politics.

I think it is more of a small cause at the start of the race to be first but is now a symptom of the hyper political situation we find ourselves in where "above all else we must fight to stay first so we stay relevant" because if we really cared about voting then we would have easy early voting for all. This is a political and economically driven effort not actually something that should matter as much

>Apparently you think a handful of people can make the decision for a body of a few hundred.

Are you really trying to claim that the president isn't capable of doing that? Fucking lmao.

Oh you actually care about staying on topic now? You've been deflecting and changing the topic every single post. Glad to hear calling you a cunt hurt your feelings enough to get focused a bit.

Democrats advocated for keeping the primary in NH before midterms. Now after midterms, the most powerful dem in the country is moving to try and change that. Clearly no votes have been cast yet because this just came out? Unless you think that we aren't allowed to discuss what politicians want to do or advocate doing until after the votes have been tallied. That's clearly the best way. I've never heard of voters wanting to complain to their elected officials before a vote is cast.

Yes, when the leader of the free world proposes something that goes against what has been said before, I'm going to call out the hypocrisy of it. I can't fathom trying to defend political bullshit like this first by screeching "but the Republicans!!?????!!!", then by arguing that it hasn't been officially voted on so why worry?

Ffs bud, it's ok to say that politicians are being scummy. It's not that hard

Yeah i am saying the president cannot make that call some. Haven't been changing, honestly don't care what some troll calls me a cunt just calling it out as an ad hominem throughout your rambling statements. Honestly find it a bit funny you cheeky lad that you were so worked up your resorted to count haha 😂

Yes, Democrats around in here have been advocating, but now I'm confused as you are both saying it is Biden alone who decides then saying people went back on their word.

The whole votes not cast thing is exactly what I have been saying this whole time. The article you are commenting on is literally a NH democrate getting pissed off sticking to her word of fighting to keep NH first, then you claim they aren't doing that because they decided, then I say wait for the vote or do you know the anticipated vote split to properly call people out, to which you deflect and say it doesn't matter. I'm so confused by you and questioning how many goal posts you move while claiming you are standing still

I didn't defend this position, i said it will make less impact as the political capital lost by removing NH first is a lot less than the political capital of their opponents (primarily the republicans)

Yeah, politicians suck, but i reserve my final opinion until something actually happens or they change their stance publically. You claim Biden supported NH first but don't provide evidence and all those who did support NH first are blasting the Whitehouse for supporting SC first and not "going back on their word"

My other point in the original comment which was about republicans was simply saying the republicans can keep NH first they don't have to match SC with the Democrats. Honestly each party can do whatever they want

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I'm sorry. You must have been living under a rock for the last 10 years with nothing but FOX propaganda to nourish your "mind". You see, there is a pattern of disinformation and lies that happens, on both sides. But someone that only sees one side of things like you wouldn't have any comprehension of that. Now THAT is a disappointing life!

So just because you live in a dangerous area doesn’t mean you deserve democracy, the same inalienable rights we all have? Your crime stats aren’t relevant to this discussion, as we all deserve democracy (a basic American value)

This is about making the people who represent us more reflective of our actual population. Why is it, for example, marijuana, supported by 70% of the country is still federally illegal? Because our reps don’t rep us!!!!

That’s democracy, that’s the practice of it, the people in congress should rep the people, we should strengthen that system by making it more of a representation of the actual people

You could take in 10x that with a good music festival

I haven’t suggested they be disenfranchised, that happened only in your addled brain.

I suggested they not put their primary ahead of the first in the nation based on your flimsy justifications.

>muh both sides

Lmao

You refuse to realize you were arguing strawmans and using Whataboutisms and deflections and goal posts being moved left and right, but get hot and bothered at being called a cunt. This is peak Reddit right now lmao

>then I say wait for the vote or do you know the anticipated vote split to properly call people out

Ah yes, I'm sure everyone who read the leaked Dobbs decision just patiently waited for the actual decision, and didn't do anything about it. After all, can't do anything until the votes are in. My God, your back must be killing you from reaching this hard. "Don't call out hypocrisy until it's finalized" fucking lmao

Lol. Very true. I was only pointing out to Half that the money doesn't "...just line the pockets of politicians..."

> Threat to democracy!

Ahem. It's a "threat to our democracy" :D

Could there be two more empty suits than our representatives in the Senate?

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