I found this map, I don't live in NH (Florida but family might move), whats going on in New Hampshire regarding Transgender people (I'm trans)vexingsilence t1_jdecrqv wrote
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>They are simply asking for the respect to love who they want to love.
No, they demanded marriage rights. Not the same thing. There was no ban on homosexuality.
>Why is it it different for someone that is Gay or Trans? They aren't forcing you to watch them make out with someone.
Then you'd have to ask why DEI training is even a thing. People shouldn't be displaying their sexuality in the workplace. Yet at many companies, that's actually a thing. They have "resource groups" or something similar. Baffles my mind to see how that's appropriate in a workplace. Love whoever you want (other than children, your own relatives, and a few other exceptions), but don't become a nuisance about it in the workplace.
>Does it really hurt your manhood to have to show respect to someone
Why can't you respect traditionalists? Even liberal Boston had a problem with this. This was battled for years with the St Patrick's Day parade. Why couldn't the pride folks respect the wishes of the parade organizers?
>Man, woman, gay, trans- everyone deserves to be respected and allowed to be who they want to be. But they don't get the right to tell someone else how they should live their life.
Again, this works both ways. This gets back to the situation with the baker that got sued for not wanting to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The "customer" tried to force this on the baker and ultimately lost. This is the lack of self-awareness that I'm poking at here.
Wiked_Pissah t1_jdefpj1 wrote
It baffles me that you see someone wanting to have the right to marry whoever they want as somehow infringing on your life. Wow. Just wow.
As for DEI training, is your HR dept saying you have to watch gay porn in the workplace? I'm pretty sure it is more about respect. Just like sexual harassment training isn't to teach you how to hit on your co-workers better. Let me explain it to you this way. If I wear a Metallica T-shirt to work one day, and you see it, it does not mean you have to wear a Metallica t-shirt also, or even like their music. I'll wear whatever the fuck I want to wear, within the established workplace guidelines, and you wear whatever the fuck you want to wear. I promise you I will not lose sleep over whatever t-shirt you wear to work. Ever!
As for the baker, were they being asked to adorn a cake topper of the couple having sex? Dildos and rainbows all over the cake? Or was the baker just being spiteful to someone that didn't share their particular religious views? It's such a stupid argument, I don't know why they didn't just go to a baker that was less of a bigot.
vexingsilence t1_jdel73n wrote
>It baffles me that you see someone wanting to have the right to marry whoever they want as somehow infringing on your life
Did I say that? My point was about forcing beliefs on others.
>I'm pretty sure it is more about respect.
Pretty sure it's more than that. If you respect others, they'll tend to respect you. No training required.
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>Or was the baker just being spiteful to someone that didn't share their particular religious views?
Or was the "customer" being spiteful to someone that didn't share their beliefs? It's the same damn question either way. Why do you refuse to acknowledge that?
Wiked_Pissah t1_jdf13ks wrote
You are the one that brought up marriage rights, are you not? Or did you forget that already. Because all the marriage rights act is about is letting a person marry another person. Period. You apparently are against that or you wouldn't have made it a point. Bottom. Line- people should be allowed to marry who they want, and YOU, or anyone else, shouldn't have the right to tell them they can't based on so.e archaic religious or whatever BS reason you have for being a bigot. If you want a different perspective, try focusing your attention span long enough and watch this. Afterwards, think about what it means to marginalize 20% of the population.
vexingsilence t1_jdgoz69 wrote
>people should be allowed to marry who they want
Including children, their sister, someone not mentally capable of making decisions, someone that's already married, a corpse..?
>Afterwards, think about what it means to marginalize 20% of the population.
Wasn't arguing the right and wrong of it, was arguing that Pride was pushing a belief onto others. You can't possibly think that the majority of the population went along willingly, because wow, would that be some revisionist history.
Wiked_Pissah t1_jdi9ume wrote
Wow, you're really reaching on this one. Yes, if a corpse wants to marry another corpse, then they should go for it. Dust to dust. Ashes to ashes. Like most bigots, you live to twist things to your narrative, so I will spell it out for you. If a man wants to marry another man, or a woman wants to marry another woman, let them! It's not going to hurt your manhood. If your sole reason for them to not be allowed to marry is their gender and they are legally allowed to do it, why do you fucking care if they do or not?
And I would love to hear how exactly a Pride event is forcing people to be gay. Is it that magical pixie dust? Lady Gaga oreos they throw out to the crowd? Oh, please share your theories. I can't wait to hear this. 🤣🤣🤣
vexingsilence t1_jdibm4l wrote
This was about forcing beliefs onto others, marriage is an example of that force coming from the left. Like I said elsewhere, I'm not interested in an argument over right and wrong, I'm just pointing out the fact that forcing beliefs is not unique to the right, it's probably more prevalent from the left.. even if they refuse to recognize it.
Wiked_Pissah t1_jdj44ag wrote
But I still don't see how they are forcing anything on you. If two people want to get married, who is saying you have to do the same? It makes absolutely no sense. All they are asking for is to be able to do what makes THEM happy. It literally has absolutely nothing to do with you. Even if you got I vited to the wedding ( however incredibly unlikely that would be) you could always say no. They wouldn't be forcing you at gun point to watch them get married.
vexingsilence t1_jdj99m4 wrote
They are forcing their beliefs to take priority of the beliefs of others, which is where I began. These is a cost to society, which we all bare. The courts are clogged with divorce cases and family bickering, child custody disputes and so on. Employers bear the costs of benefits, etc. Again, I don't care about the right vs wrong argument here, I was merely contradicting this warped view that only the right forces their beliefs on others. That's clearly not the case.
Wiked_Pissah t1_jdjb10b wrote
Yes. The left want to be happy as well. This is a pointless argument because you are clearly biased against anyone that is LGBTQ and wants to be happy. I am sorry if some mean gay biker gang abducted you earlier in life and forced you to watch gay porn ala Clockwork Orange style. Someday I hope you can heal and learn to live and let live.
vexingsilence t1_jdje4mk wrote
>This is a pointless argument because you are clearly biased against anyone that is LGBTQ and wants to be happy.
Pointing out that there are associated costs to society and the fact that people were not terribly eager to change their beliefs if not for efforts like Pride and activist judges forcing it.. that shows a bias?
>Someday I hope you can heal and learn to live and let live.
Dispassionate observation is not a bad thing and doesn't define a person.
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