I as most people that work in planning and design are more than aware of the limitations at societal, geographical, and political levels. I was focusing here on safety in road design and not by any means focusing on land-use and ped/bike improvements. There's a lot that can be done in just the vehicular right of way to improve safety of just vehicular users especially on route 4 which is a mayor commuting corridor with descent amount of commercial and suburban development.

I really wouldn't describe myself as somebody that prescribe to what Chuck and his beef with engineering has built-up into a bit of an engineering witch hunt, but I don't believe them to be completely absolved from blame either and was pretty clear about that in my last post when I describe the multiple systematic issues outside of engineering.

At the end we need to always try better and not be conforming to bad behavior as an inevitability, you have your thought on addressing it and I have mine and I'm sure we intersect on a few points.