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pinetreesgreen t1_jdit6ut wrote

Reply to comment by vexingsilence in NH House passes abortion-rights protections by IBlazeMyOwnPath

There is simply no guarantee the fetus will be born alive. So the only real person in this situation is the women who is growing the fetus. Her decision should be the only one relevant. it is her body/energy/nourishment being used, and in a not very pleasant manner, either.

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vexingsilence t1_jdiv741 wrote

>There is simply no guarantee the fetus will be born alive. So the only real person in this situation is the women who is growing the fetus.

That's absurd. This is some "Schrodinger's cat" type of logic. We do know that abortion will end the life. Without any unethical medical intervention, a live birth is the likely outcome.

> Her decision should be the only one relevant.

Not if you're going to argue bodily autonomy. There are two bodies. You can't dismiss one simply because they can't consent.

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pinetreesgreen t1_jdiw7oy wrote

I mean, its likely, but not 100%. Is the woman who is being made to donate to the potential person live? Certainly. So it should be her decision.

You think people should be forced to share blood or undergo the reorganization or organs, tissue, risk permanent death or disability for something they don't want? Thats dystopian.

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vexingsilence t1_jdixwgz wrote

>I mean, its likely, but not 100%. Is the woman who is being made to donate to the potential person live? Certainly. So it should be her decision.

By your logic, the chances of the woman surviving the abortion are not 100%, therefore we shouldn't allow her to have one.

>You think people should be forced to share blood or undergo the reorganization or organs, tissue, risk permanent death or disability for something they don't want?

What force is occurring? Reproduction is a natural process. Giving blood, donating or receiving organs and such are not natural processes. Those are medical procedures. Two very different things. It's the opposite of force, it's doing nothing.

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pinetreesgreen t1_jdizc2w wrote

It is hard to discuss this with men, bc they will never understand that being pregnant is not fun for most women. It is painful and wretched and does not feel natural whatsoever. We do it bc we want kids. To make someone go through that without wanting one for a million different, individual reasons is inhumane. You can dispute it all you want, but that is what it is. Just accept you will never understand being pregnant, so you can never understand vehemently not wanting to be pregnant.

We lose women at less than one per year due to abortions. It is infinitely safer than giving birth. Your logic fails to hold up anyway since you are arguing in essence women should not get abortions even if it kills her, giving birth.

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SuperD00perGuyd00d t1_jdjppmc wrote

>What force is occuring?

Not everybody lives by tradition, and there are some horrible people in the world that cause a force...especially for women.

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skigirl180 t1_jdjy6ut wrote

If you don't want an abortion then don't fucking get one. Period.

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vexingsilence t1_jdlfyfr wrote

Don't want to be murdered? Then don't get murdered. Period.

Amazing insight.

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