decayo t1_j8fnmmf wrote on February 13, 2023 at 11:21 PM

Reply to comment by optimistic8theist in Milford School Board votes to consider all-stall restrooms after public debate by NewEnglandBlueberry

"it allows me to more seriously consider his and his wife's allegations." Give me a break. I get what you are doing, establishing an air of "fairness" or some other kind of attempt at virtuous neutrality, but we've seen the bullshit that is being thrown around to try to cause issues like this nationally. It never contains a thread of legitimacy. Giving the benefit of the doubt to people like this is not virtuous and it's not even open-mindedness; it's a purposeful dismissal of basic facts in an attempt to present neutrality to those who aren't paying attention to the world around them. You really think it's possible that a trans kid is running around bullying cis kids in restrooms? And the only one that has complained about it happens to be the child of a well-known fear-monger on the issue? Isn't it more likely that these nutcases are, like always, willing to lie to try to make their ridiculous points?

optimistic8theist t1_j8gayu0 wrote on February 14, 2023 at 2:16 AM

Hey there! No, I really don’t believe that a trans kid is running around bullying cis kids. My kid is at the middle school, and has a couple of trans friends. They are all bullied. If I had to guess, I’m inclined to think the trans kid crossed paths with one of their bullies, and some words were exchanged, and the trans kiddo had enough and stood up for themselves.

But I’m trying to approach it as objectively as possible, which is hard to do in general, and even harder once we notice the trend of this family firing off these allegations with minimal details, and only in the school year following a failed political run.

I’d love to see the data comparing the percentage of trans kids bullying cis kids, and cis kids bullying cis kids in bathrooms at the district. Pretty sure cis kids harm cis kids way more than trans kids are harming cis kids.

Glad_Nefariousness_6 t1_j8oojq7 wrote on February 15, 2023 at 9:15 PM

Why can’t a trans girl use a closed stall with the rest of the little girls. It’s creepy as hell to demand a urinals in a little girls bathroom and particularly when females are saying it makes them uncomfortable.

This is seriously nuts.

decayo t1_j8pg8gd wrote on February 16, 2023 at 12:26 AM

Who the hell is demanding urinals in the girls bathroom? The demand is to put full length stalls in, which is the correct demand. I have to admit that I don't know all the ins and outs of this issue, but you are the first person I've seen suggest that anyone is trying to put urinals in the girls bathroom.

Maldonian t1_j8fqxfr wrote on February 13, 2023 at 11:45 PM

Let’s at least try to be consistent. It’s either believe victims, or don’t believe any accusations until there is evidence…but it can’t be both.

decayo t1_j8fruj1 wrote on February 13, 2023 at 11:51 PM

Considering nothing happened, there is no victim not being believed.

Meanwhile, no one just blanket says "believe victims" with no context related to what they were supposedly victimized by. "Believe victims" is in the context of sexual assault; is the claim that the person was sexually assaulted?

I'm also not a person that has ever claimed that anyone claiming to be a victim should be automatically believed, especially if that person has a compelling reason to lie. In this case, the person has a reason to back their brain-dead degenerate parents' play.

The sensible middle-ground to your construct is "Seriously investigate claims, but in the absence of evidence, consider the source". I'm not going to abandon all reason because of some weird set of rules invented on Twitter.