ThunderySleep t1_j8z5nx0 wrote on February 18, 2023 at 12:13 AM

Reply to comment by AllstarGaming617 in Northern NH - Anyone else smell that this morning? by Danadroid

It is, but people are rightfully concerned. There's not much clear info on the fallout of this thing. Obviously you can't hold your breath for a few days, but if you had reason to believe the chemicals were blowing over your area, you might decide to hang out indoors most of the day vs go hiking.

AllstarGaming617 t1_j8zfep2 wrote on February 18, 2023 at 1:30 AM

People in the immediate vicinity of the derailment absolutely have a right to be concerned. Once you get you outside of a 10-15 mile radius being cautious and testing your ground water isn’t the worst idea. Outside of 50-100 miles from the site you’re just hiding in fear of nothing. This isn’t the first train derailment of vinyl chloride, and there’s been a decade of research studying the last major accident where a train dumped 18,000 gallons of it into a local water supply. We also know how the compound carries through studies of the vapor cloud created by the last incident. It’s heavier than water when burned, and the rough estimate of the plume was about 1KM in altitude. Meaning it wouldn’t “seed” a rain cloud and then make its way out of the region. It can absolutely mix with lower atmosphere and be dispersed in a small radius, even up to 100 miles. The big health concern is that in moderate PPM of drinking water it can cause liver cancer. Again, the immediate burn radius everyone should be concerned, in the larger radius of up to 100 miles, people should be testing their ground water. 500+ miles away people aren’t smelling the vinyl chloride, and there certainly isn’t a concentration high enough to be concerned about. On top of all that, even if the compound could seed clouds and move with the weather and rain the accident was now two weeks ago. Whatever weather system was in central Ohio at the time would have moved through the northeast 2-3 days(max) after the incident. People are only reporting these “observations” in the last couple days as the echo chamber grows louder.

ThunderySleep t1_j8zgjfc wrote on February 18, 2023 at 1:40 AM

> right to be concerned

Are you saying people outside of it have "no right" to be concerned?

AllstarGaming617 t1_j8zgujd wrote on February 18, 2023 at 1:42 AM

Free country, you have the “right” to feel however you please. Wether or not it’s reasonable is a completely different story lol

ThunderySleep t1_j8zh0so wrote on February 18, 2023 at 1:43 AM

Why would it be unreasonable for them to be concerned for their health and safety?

AllstarGaming617 t1_j8zi4yp wrote on February 18, 2023 at 1:53 AM

Because there was nothing rational about it. Why weren’t they concerned 2-3 days after the incident when, if the compound was able to be carried by weather patterns long distance, it would have been in the north east. We know what the compound is, we know what is created after a combustion reaction. The resulting “fallout” isn’t reaching New England, let alone 14 days later.

ThunderySleep t1_j90599z wrote on February 18, 2023 at 5:21 AM

Probably because they didn't know about it.

The story wasn't given that much attention by MSM. It took a week or so of enough people talking about it online to bring it to people's attention.

And what do you mean there's nothing rational about people being concerned for their health and safety? It's one thing to explain to people why you don't think they should worry, it's another to try and shoot them down for asking questions.

AllstarGaming617 t1_j90b4hm wrote on February 18, 2023 at 6:28 AM

That’s the problem though. 90% of people aren’t asking questions. They’re immediately going into panic after doom swiping on TikTok and Twitter. I still don’t agree with this narrative that there’s been no coverage of this or it’s been hidden for some nefarious reason. I heard about it the day it happened and I’ve seen articles about it nonstop. Admittedly that’s a subjective point of view since everyone’s data and algorithms for content consumption is different but atleast for me I’ve had news of it out infront of me since the incident. Social media causes people to act and feel without objective thought. Why would this be covered up by main stream media? Everyone says they’re “liberal” mouthpieces. This derailment is the outcome of regulations put in place after the same chemical was spilled in New Jersey in 2012 and then repealed by a GOP senate in 2017. You don’t think the “liberal” media wouldn’t have immediately jumped on a chance to hammer the last administration? The fact that this panic is setting in 2 weeks later is proof. People claiming that they’re seeing/smelling/experiences of “fallout” in a weather pattern shifting from the location of an environmental catastrophe that happened two weeks ago is like saying “everyone stay safe there’s a storm that spawned devastating tornados in Ohio two weeks ago, and it’s headed our way” Everyone, for the most part understands how quickly the jet stream pushes weather patterns across the country, so alerting people of severe incoming weather from 14 days ago would cause most people to scoff at it as irrational. Introduce a a moderately unknown variable and everyone panics, instead of asking reasonable questions or taking a second to analyze the situation objectively.

Extension_Natural_31 t1_j8zjvmo wrote on February 18, 2023 at 2:07 AM

This makes me feel better, thank you. I’m in Maine and was really concerned about the rain today