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V1198 t1_j9362uk wrote

The whole free state project in frankly insulting. It’s a bunch of Uber rich folks sending in carpetbaggers to conduct their social experiment on the people who live here…whether we want it or not.

If the ideas are so good, try them in your own states. We aren’t Guinea pigs.

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Azr431 t1_j95ql55 wrote

Yup, the ‘fuck you I got mine’ crowd. They’re as transparent as ever

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gmcgath t1_j9a215w wrote

Funny how the anti-freedom crowd loves the word "carpetbagger," devised by the white supremacist crowd to disparage people who got in the way of their comfy status quo. Says a lot about you.

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xtnh t1_j9gs178 wrote

"anti-freedom crowd" is a kind of creepy meme phrase

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anarchir t1_j9asfwm wrote

>sending in carpet baggers

Actually you'll find freestaters of all walks of life. Plenty of us are blue collar, many are not wealthy at all. And we certainly aren't being "sent" to New Hampshire. Those of us in New Hampshire are asking for them to join us.

If you care about carpetbaggers, look to the progressives who actually have billionaires paying for people to move to NH to fuck up our politics. (Granite State Progress)

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cat-gun t1_j9fayrt wrote

> whether we want it or not.

Yes, it's annoying to be coerced to do something you don't want to do. That's the nature of government though, and the reason why libertarians want a homeland where there is as little coercion as possible. Free Staters are only doing what both liberals and conservatives do: voting for the laws and elected representatives we want to govern us. If our people / ideas are appealing enough to NH voters to win elections, then our representatives have just as much right to govern as liberals and conservatives.

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DisMuhUserName t1_j95m81b wrote

It’s a movement that’s based on liberty and personal responsibility, its certainly not “a bunch of Uber rich folks”

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V1198 t1_j95t0jv wrote

Look who’s paying the bills…versus who feels like they are in a movement. It’s billionaires, from away, looking to control your life here.

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DisMuhUserName t1_j9aeybd wrote

Maybe I'm wrong? But who? What "billionaires"? Can you show me any legitimate source beyond you saying so?

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anarchir t1_j9aslv0 wrote

As someone deeply imbedded in the Free State Project, how long before I can expect to figure out who these billionaires are? I've yet to meet them, and they certainly aren't sending any money to any of my projects. I'll happily accept a sponsor however.

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DisMuhUserName t1_j95tvd9 wrote

Is that what you know or are those your thoughts? What billionaires? How are freedom loving people - people who literally want the freedom to be left alone - negatively affecting you? I’m sure you’re a good person and I’m not looking for an argument, just trying to separate hyperbole from reality.

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V1198 t1_j95uxas wrote

Take a look at the funding. Yass, Mellon, Thiel. It’s a fairly open secret. And I’m all for freedom loving…but these guys are talking about seceding from the country. How’d you think that’s gonna pan out?

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DisMuhUserName t1_j9aeqbw wrote

Look, maybe I'm wrong. Can you provide any proof that they're "funded by billionaires" besides you saying so? Something from a legitimate source, not one with a political agenda.

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V1198 t1_j9afhfy wrote

That’s a fairly subjective criteria so I’d just suggest you Google the donor names and the organization at the same time and pick which source you’ll accept. Also keep in mind some of its nebulous as the powers that be have maintained a right to shielding us commoners from knowing who pays them off.

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DisMuhUserName t1_j9dg8k2 wrote

What funding? You know, right? So just post a link. One single billionaire that’s on the record funding the Free State Project.

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Berzerk_Unit_Alpha t1_j97aw9i wrote

This is my issue with them. I agree that taxes suck and most politicians are corrupt assholes. But what happens after secession? Then another group of corrupt assholes gets to make the rules? Except now the streets won’t get plowed.

Meet the new boss same as the old.

The free staters have a PR problem and they can’t even see it for themselves. They follow the same playbook as conservatives. Get elected to a position. Make it so that things don’t work well. Then stand up and say “look this thing doesn’t work well so we should get rid of it. “

They fly under the veil of liberty and freedom and the self righteousness is gross. Whenever it gets brought up in my family it is usually them saying that I just don’t understand.

What they don’t understand is that I caucused for Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 (in a different state) and I have changed my mind.

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anarchir t1_j9blqqv wrote

We have well over 100 free staters elected right now. What part of the state is not working well that you'd like to blame on them?

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Berzerk_Unit_Alpha t1_j9bshpg wrote

It’s hopeless to try and change each others opinions. Can we agree on that?

Gunstock. School boards. Zoning ordinances. Trash collection. Destroy it all because of your personal philosophies. I don’t think it will end well.

I don’t like the free staters and their mission. I don’t trust them.

Therefore….. I hate liberty and freedom and blah blah blah.

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anarchir t1_j9gfqlj wrote

>Gunstock

A ski resort owned by the state, freaked out when told they need to have more transparent finances and proper management, because they are millions in debt. Somehow that's the fault of freestaters because two of the people on the commission are freestaters? Remind me again why the state owns a ski resort?

>School boards

Take Croyden for example: Average schools are spending $9k/student. A freestater in Croyden tried cutting their $22k/student budget down to $10k. Still above average, and these are just elementary school kids in a one room schoolhouse, who despite high funding are having very poor scores. Somehow that's destruction by freestaters, even though it was majority NOT freestaters who voted in favor of it.

>Trash collection

You're referencing Grafton. Because lots of trash collection is privatized already, but there some local lady (not a freestater) was feeding bears like an idiot and therefore it must be trash collection problems caused by freestaters when the bear attacked.

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Berzerk_Unit_Alpha t1_j9gl864 wrote

You are proving my point. Stop lecturing people. This is one more reason to hate free staters. You want engage in some deep philosophical debate over Reddit comment section. I have heard all those things before, this is not my first rodeo.

I have counter point ON EVERYTHING YOU SAID. But I am not going to engage with you. I don’t owe you any explanations and I don’t need them from you. The fact that you want to continue engage shows exactly what type of person represents the FSP.

Did you not read what I said? It certainly doesn’t seem like you did. It seems like all you want to do is lecture people, but what you don’t see is no one cares because no one’s liberty is in jeopardy. I have been down that road and back again.

Plus I can give you the libertarian argument FOR universal basic income and universal healthcare. (You read that right).

So congrats to you for being 100% right about everything and having the solution to all of the worlds problems.

I am just and ignorant leftist Marxist Leninist socialist that loves beuracracy and hates liberty and freedom.

Sound good?

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anarchir t1_j9gpqdy wrote

Oh no, I want to comment in the comment area on a website. Such weird behavior to want to engage in discussions with other people in the appropriate place to do so.

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Berzerk_Unit_Alpha t1_j9gu0e3 wrote

Congratulations. You are proving my point some more. I never said it was strange to want to comment that.I said I don’t want to engage with you in a philosophical debate here. Change the argument to what you want it to be about and you will always be correct.

You are of course 100% correct. Now walk away with win and be proud. Go educate the world.

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anarchir t1_j9asss1 wrote

> Make it so that things don’t work well.

How's that working out for you? You think things are working better in Democrat or Republican controlled cities more? California or Florida?

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Berzerk_Unit_Alpha t1_j9aup1b wrote

Swing and a miss. I dont belong to either party and you missed my point entirely. Nothing is perfect but….

I would much rather live in California over Florida.

I don’t like the humidity and I despise the right wing cancel culture in Florida.

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Reddit_in_her_voice t1_j936oh3 wrote

People moving in to a place changes it politically for the worse and we should keep them out. I agree totally.

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TurretLauncher OP t1_j93c8ay wrote

Any attempt to do that would be blatantly unconstitutional.

> The U.S. Supreme Court [most recently] dealt with the right to travel in the case of Saenz v. Roe, 526 U.S. 489 (1999). In that case, Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, held that the United States Constitution protected three separate aspects of the right to travel among the states:
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> (1) the right to enter one state and leave another (an inherent right with historical support from the Articles of Confederation),
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> (2) the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than a hostile stranger (protected by the "Privileges and Immunities" clause in Article IV, § 2), and
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> (3) (for those who become permanent residents of a state) the right to be treated equally to native-born citizens (this is protected by the 14th Amendment's Privileges or Immunities Clause; citing the majority opinion in the Slaughter-House Cases, Justice Stevens said, "the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment ... has always been common ground that this Clause protects the third component of the right to travel.").

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jdkeith t1_j95v1pd wrote

> People moving in to a place changes it politically for the worse and we should keep them out. I agree totally.

Glad you're on board with a wall on the southern border of the U.S.

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Reddit_in_her_voice t1_j93cakg wrote

I'm just agreeing with the other Democrat in this thread.

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TurretLauncher OP t1_j93en6h wrote

Also, per this sub's posted rules: "No suggestions or claims that people aren't wanted in New Hampshire."

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TurretLauncher OP t1_j93e44u wrote

^ This violates this sub's posted rules: "No suggestions or claims that people aren't wanted in New Hampshire."

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V1198 t1_j93jlzn wrote

Not suggesting anyone is unwanted. Suggesting that if an idea is a good one you don’t need to pay people to move to a state to conduct it as an experiment first, you’d try it in your home state. Of course everyone is welcome in NH.

Now, of course, let’s also keep in mind one of their central tenants is secession from the country…

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AnythingToAvoidWork t1_j9417sk wrote

I'm not suggesting they aren't wanted in NH. I'm suggesting I don't want them near me.

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bigmountainbig t1_j95jk5m wrote

Seems more like the opposite. they're saying "come live here if you want to try that shit."

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