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Nowhere_X_Anywhere t1_ja48nys wrote

Reply to comment by Jetpilotboiii1989 in the cannon mountain tram needs repairs and Sununu proposes replacing the tram with a gondola to cut costs by comefromawayfan2022

I don't give a shit. It is what it is. Don't be an asshole when you come up and no one will care you came up from Mass.

Sadly a non insignificant number (large minority/majority) of Mass residents, when they travel, like to be assholes and then try to defend their behavior by playing the 'I'm from Mass It's how we are' card like it makes it any better.

This weekend/last week it was well known conditions would be shit. There is zero justification for coming up and making aggressive scenes about the conditions, being rude, and justifying the aggressive scene because of where you came up from and projecting we all hate you for it. Sadly it isn't 20 something frat douches either.

It's moms and dads with kids in tow teaching the lesson that if you are rude and make a scene, you may get your way, and if not you will at least disrupt others away from their good time.

It is meme in the Northeast, Rockies, Tetons, Pacific Northwest, and Hawaii, to list a few, for a reason.

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Jetpilotboiii1989 t1_ja4dbm7 wrote

Couple of things:

I’m from Massachusetts, but to me, I’m a New Englander and will go where I please. When I’m in nature, I’m “leave only footprints” when I’m on the mountain I abide by the code. And that’s me.

I don’t really like that it seems trendy now on social media to lean into the bad “Boston and its suburbs” stereotypes and those people can kick rocks.

I honestly was up there twice in the last few weeks and saw more CT plates than anything, and let’s be real, those are probably Manhattan/Westchester people descending on the upper New England like the locusts they are.

I go to the mountain when I have time and it’s almost always a weekday. But I look at the weather and research the conditions, I’m the type that thinks a bad day on the mountain beats a good day anywhere else and I’ll still enjoy the hell out of less than ideal conditions. But if I go on a rough day, that’s on me.

This is all coming from someone that will likely live in NH by the end of the decade and won’t be taking the Masshole with them if I can help it.

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Nowhere_X_Anywhere t1_ja4jhi4 wrote

Fair enough. I consider myself from New England too, but I can say I do not relate to how people treat each other when I end up down south in the greater Boston to Worcester metro plex for any period of time. Add to that when I travel the number of times in my many years I have had people ask what is up with people from Mass.

Sitting at a bar in the Teton Village 'what's that accent?'
Me 'A mix of ME, NH, and beer.'
Patron 'wasn't quite a Mass accent, what is up with folks from there?' and then continues to tell a story about navigating raging assholes and their families.

I don't know, maybe it is the rude city meme, and then the rude city folks travel deep and add to that a Boston accent is fairly noticeable. This would include your greater NYC folk as well.

Back to point, if you aren't an asshole and don't bring an asshole vibe with you no one will care. I'm sure I've shared hiking, biking trails, skin routes, climbing adventures with many folks from Mass and never knew or cared because they, like I, were just doing our thing enjoying nature.

I have also had some positive interactions with folks who shared specifically they were from MA. Ironically they go out of their way to state they aren't like 'most folks from MA' a little like you did.

It cannot be over stated enough, it takes being an asshole first for anyone to even really care.

I can assure you we do not go out of our way to make it a MA folks aren't welcome. It really boils down to a 'ahh of course they are from MA' after the fact when acting aggressive and rude when something goes sideways.

ME and NH have home grown assholes as well and I don't like them either.

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Jetpilotboiii1989 t1_ja4x26r wrote

Oh I hear ya. I used to work with a lady back in my restaurant days that would emphasize often that she was from Lynn. Which, was enough to get a bead on her personality. All to say, some people take pride in being from an environment where everyone treats each other like garbage because no one learned how to respect one another. I hate it and I always have. That said, I do think in some established contexts playful ribbing among friends and family is the normal way of interacting (which I hope you see my initial comment as just that)

I will say, I worked in NYC at one point and my first few experiences on my own needing help didn’t go too smoothly; seemed like there was a rule book somewhere that I was supposed to know about and should have glanced before coming. Even a simple question like “am I in the right place to…?” Gets an eye roll. Sink or swim. Which I don’t think would happen in Boston but I’m probably biased.

Reminds me of back when I went to Minnesota for a job interview, and later to work. The first night I’m at a bar getting a meal, I see several people shooting glances my way and experience tells me I’m in for it. Turns out they just wanted to talk to a new person. They said I didn’t have much of an accent. I probably do, but not like the movies. Any way, I later found out that the midwestern bubbly kindness was often a means of masking passive aggression and you learn what signs to look for. All to say I’ve met jerks all over, just different modes of expression.

I honestly haven’t been to Cannon, I looked at it more than a few times. I don’t have a lot of criteria for a hill, but to me it seemed a little more oriented towards skis than a board. Perhaps I’m wrong and I should give it a shot. Even if it were I always have a good time regardless. I wouldn’t say I’m new; actually just returning after a few years off, but I try pretty hard to not be Jerry.

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